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To: DouglasKC; Greetings_Puny_Humans; All
Act 10:45 And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also.
DouglasKC: Does scripture ever talk about "pouring" out the father or the son? Can a person be "poured" out?

Yes, it does...Psalm 22 is deemed "Messianic" -- and describes the cross of Christ:

"I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint. My heart has turned to wax; it has melted within me." (Psalm 22:14)

(So now -- by extended implication -- you are going to tell us that Jesus isn't a person?)

In addition to the above, Solomon said: ..."the fruit of my toil into which I have poured my effort..." (Ecc. 2:19)

We say that all the time...like: "He poured himself into it."

(It's just another way of say "expended Himself")

Bottom line...Next you'll be telling us the Holy Spirit is a bird (Matthew 3:16: As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him.)

But, probably not. You see, at least a dove isn't an inanimate object...an impersonal force...so if you were to cite Matthew 3:16 to describe the Holy Spirit, that might be too "personal" of ascription to be giving the Holy Spirit!

Tell us, Douglas: Does a dog have more personality than the Holy Spirit? (Yes? No?)

So, what do you do with all these Scriptures...just scissor 'em to death or slander them as being revised 'cause it doesn't comport with your "theology" per the teachers who divide and redivide in your neck of the woods?

The Holy Spirit...
...speaks (John 16:13; Rev. 2:7)
...PERSONALLY commands/calls -- note words "Me" and "I" (Acts 13:2)
...guides (John 16:13)
...counsels (John 14:16-17)
...teaches (John 14:26)
...hears (John 16:13)
...forbids (Acts 16:6)
...determines -- showing WILL/mind (1 Cor. 12:11)
...intercedes (Romans 8:34)...kind of ridiculous to claim, as DouglasKC does, that an impersonal invisible active force of God intercedes on man's behalf before God

The Holy Spirit can be...
...insulted (Hebrews 10:29)
...grieved (Eph. 4:30; Isaiah 63:10)
...may be lied to (Acts 5:3)

The Holy Spirit has a mind, and His own Power (Rev. 2:7; 1 Cor. 12:11; Rom. 8:27; Rom. 15:19)

The Holy Spirit is called God and bears names belonging to God (Acts 5:3-4,9; 2 Cor. 3:17-18, etc.)

The Holy Spirit has divine attributes ascribed to Him (1 Cor. 2:11; 12:11)

447 posted on 01/15/2014 11:30:53 AM PST by Colofornian (The Spirit HIMSELF [not itself] testifies w/our spirit...we ARE [not will be] GodÂ’s children Rom8:1)
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To: Colofornian
Yes, it does...Psalm 22 is deemed "Messianic" -- and describes the cross of Christ:
"I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint. My heart has turned to wax; it has melted within me." (Psalm 22:14)

You understand this is poetic? Jesus the person wasn't "poured". The verses speaking of the holy spirit being poured out are NOT poetic. They are describing a substance emanating from God, not another person:

Joe_2:28 "And it shall come to pass afterward That I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh; Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, Your old men shall dream dreams, Your young men shall see visions.

Zec_12:10 "And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication; then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn.

Think of the holy spirit as being an overflowing of the love of the father and son. It's not another "person". Because your mind is trained to think of it as a person you've missed the whole point. The love of the father and the son is so great that it has poured out among his people. It's overflowed.

Bottom line...Next you'll be telling us the Holy Spirit is a bird (Matthew 3:16: As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him.) But, probably not. You see, at least a dove isn't an inanimate object...an impersonal force...so if you were to cite Matthew 3:16 to describe the Holy Spirit, that might be too "personal" of ascription to be giving the Holy Spirit!

It's "descending like a dove". It's NOT a dove.

So, what do you do with all these Scriptures...just scissor 'em to death or slander them as being revised 'cause it doesn't comport with your "theology" per the teachers who divide and redivide in your neck of the woods?

Nah, but I don't take verses that mention "holy spirit" and conclude that there's a 3rd separate person. That would be unbiblical.

458 posted on 01/15/2014 1:00:04 PM PST by DouglasKC
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