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The Holy Trinity: Sound Doctrine or a Man-Made Tradition?
ArticleSeen.com ^ | Aug-28-2011 | Steve-O

Posted on 01/12/2014 7:49:32 PM PST by restornu

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To: restornu

No civil tones here...

  "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent"
 
 (The Seer, p. 255  Orson Pratt )

201 posted on 01/13/2014 6:11:01 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu

restornu FULLY agrees with the above.


202 posted on 01/13/2014 6:11:20 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: CynicalBear

I believe you are sincere...

But I receives a witness by the Power of the Holy Ghost that this is the Church of Jesus Christ,

Even before I was a member or met a Missionary.

I was on an 18 year quest for truth and the last place I would look was to the Mormons, how little did I know...


203 posted on 01/13/2014 6:13:26 PM PST by restornu (Luke 24:39... for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have)
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To: restornu
The same could be more so said about Man-Made Tradition!

There's manmade and then there is plagiarism!

     
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

204 posted on 01/13/2014 6:16:10 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ShadowAce

You should have finished it. It was a gas!


205 posted on 01/13/2014 6:17:43 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie; restornu

All Mormons must believe that.

As well they MUST believe in men having many wives or they will be kicked out of the LDS org.

Or so their official writings say.


206 posted on 01/13/2014 6:21:00 PM PST by Syncro ("So?" - -Andrew Breitbart --The King of All Media RIP Feb 1, 1969 to Mar 1, 2012)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Your own words here. You only have 1/3 of the BOM. Post # 60.

But WAIT!!!

There's MORE!


WHY would ANY one; let alone a MORMON; be wanting MORE of the BoM??
 
It states, on a bronze plaque, on a statue in Temple Square, that the BoM contains the FULLNESS of the Gospel.
 
 
                                                                  
 
I guess restornu REALIZES that this is yet another LIE from LDS, Inc. and there will be more later, since it can be PROVEN that the BoM do NOT contain the Fullnes of the Gospel!
 

207 posted on 01/13/2014 6:23:58 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: redleghunter

LOL Well, there you have it. Documented for us with incontrovertible……………………………..wait……..what?


208 posted on 01/13/2014 6:24:47 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: CynicalBear

X


209 posted on 01/13/2014 6:25:55 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Truth is hate to those who hate the Truth)
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To: restornu; Ruy Dias de Bivar; All
You have a flaw in your natural mind deduction the Restoration of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints did not exist than during those discussions between Jesus & Paul.

ALL: Do you see how Mormon apologists try to claim that Paul's prophetic words spoken in Gal. 1 apply to the lst thru 18th centuries...but suddenly somehow stopped in the 1820s?

By this same logical extension then, Restornu: Since The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints did not exist when the Mormons claim that Jesus Christ appeared to Joseph Smith, then whatever words the Mormons claim were spoken to Smith...as found in the Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith History, don't apply anymore, either!!!

The words Paul rec'd -- and the words Joseph Smith initially rec'd -- were ALL rec'd pre-jumpstart of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints...hence the flaw in Restornu's "natural mind" applies to her claims of the Mormon Church's First Vision as well!!!

210 posted on 01/13/2014 6:26:49 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: restornu
I was on an 18 year quest for truth and the last place I would look was to the Mormons, how little did I know...

Not moved along much it seems.

211 posted on 01/13/2014 6:27:28 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Syncro
As well they MUST believe in men having many wives or they will be kicked out of the LDS org.

It's MUCH worse than that!!


"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;

and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,

and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.

Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)

212 posted on 01/13/2014 6:28:33 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Syncro
Or so their official writings say.

Unless you blink and the Mormon god decides something else...


The Doctrine and Covenants
Section 49:16

Wherefore, it is lawful that he should have one wife, and they twain shall be one flesh, and all this that the earth might answer the end of its creation; 17 And that it might be filled with the measure of man, according to his acreation bbefore the world was made.

213 posted on 01/13/2014 6:33:42 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Indeed:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=06jF1EG8o-Q&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D06jF1EG8o-Q


214 posted on 01/13/2014 6:34:48 PM PST by redleghunter
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To: Elsie

Sola Scriptura is becoming more entrenched in my belief every day.


215 posted on 01/13/2014 6:35:04 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: restornu
>> But I receives a witness by the Power of the Holy Ghost that this is the Church of Jesus Christ<<

I can assure you without reservation that the spirit you listened to was NOT the Holy Spirit.

216 posted on 01/13/2014 6:36:57 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: UriÂ’el-2012

Where is this preserved Hebrew NT?


217 posted on 01/13/2014 6:36:58 PM PST by redleghunter
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To: restornu; Ruy Dias de Bivar; All
...I am very frustrated at times due to the designs of men that have caused endless issues among many good believers to always be at odds with one another. This is undeniable just look at FR RF!"

And you blame FR Religion Forum's for this?

The Mormon Church has been bashing worldwide Christianity since it came on the scene! (For those who want "proof"...see my next post)

Restornu, the Mormon Church accuses EVERY non-Mormon on the FR Religion Forum as being either being of an apostate church or having some ancestor who ventured off into apostasy!

And you somehow think that people are just going to stand idle while the Mormon Church makes these kind of generation-after-generation-after-generation-after-generation-after-generation accusations!

It wouldn't matter if the ONLY FR Religion Posters were resurrected Founding Fathers of this nation...Your church would STILL accuse them of being apostates!

Now, tell us, Restornu: How "civil" is that?

218 posted on 01/13/2014 6:37:11 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: restornu; Ruy Dias de Bivar; All
...I am very frustrated at times due to the designs of men that have caused endless issues among many good believers to always be at odds with one another. This is undeniable just look at FR RF!"

ALL: I said to Restornu, in part, on my last post:

And you blame FR Religion Forum's for this?

The Mormon Church has been bashing worldwide Christianity since it came on the scene!

Here's proof:

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...The Mormon church has made sure that over these past 62 years its missionaries emphasize a so-called "UNIVERSAL" (complete) apostasy by the Christian church shortly after the apostles died.

Since 1952, the Lds church has sent out about a million missionaries...[Lds has boasted of over a million in its entire history; the largest swath have come in the last 60 years]. They work 70-hour weeks. That's a LOT of "apostasy" mongering...especially given the 80,000 Lds missionaries out & about daily.

And that doesn't include their 24/7 online accusations... 
...their books published in who knows how many languages... 
...their curricula... 
...their published articles... 
...their broadcasts...

Somebody who doesn't realize all of this strikes me as a little "green" when it comes to assessing what this multi-$billion organization has been doing...and to express worriment about the potential for some small "religion forum" on ONE Web site might actually stand up to this meta-narrative accuser of Christians & Christian churches the world over is really quite non-sensical and illogical. 

Snapshot of Joseph Smith’s Slanderous Invectives vs. Christian Sects

Mormon Source

[Note: Most of these are Mormon ‘scriptures'. In fact, First three rows below are Lds 'scripture' & therefore cannot be rug-swept any more than a Jew might try to take three commandments off of the very tablets of stone Moses brought down from the mountain]
“...which of all the sects was right… must join NONE of them, for they were ALL WRONG… those professors were ALL CORRUPT…” Joseph Smith – History vv. 18-19. – Lds "scripture" Pearl of Great Price
...“which of all the sects was right…ALL their CREEDS were an ABOMINATION in his sight…they teach for doctrines the commandments of MEN…” Joseph Smith – History vv. 18-19. – Lds "scripture" Pearl of Great Price
Mormon church the only ‘Christ-sanctioned’ church on earth: “…the foundation of this [Mormon] church…the ONLY true and living church on the face of the whole earth” [Obvious ‘scorched earth’ implication: All other churches are false and dead] Lds “scripture” Doctrines & Covenants 1:30
Direct question asked of Joseph Smith: 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons?" Answer from Lds "prophet" Joseph Smith: 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119 [Not “scripture” – but still publicly spoken by the Mormon ‘living prophet’ and published by a later Mormon ‘living prophet,’ Joseph Fielding Smith – via a publisher owned by the Mormon church – Deseret News Press, 1938]
“In 1952…the first official proselyting plan was sent to missionaries throughout the world…It included seven missionary discussions that emphasized…[four topics, one of them being]THE APOSTASY and Restoration…” [This makes it 60 years that Mormon church missionaries, soon to number 85,000, have formally emphasized in its training & door to door saturation a priority in bashing the worldwide Christian church as “apostates” (100% AWOL)] Our Heritage: A Brief History of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints p. 116, 1996

Yet, which bashers assumed the now 24/7 initiative to claim about worldwide Christianity that... 
...all Protestant, Catholic & Orthodox churches are all "apostate?" 
...all Protestant, Catholic & Orthodox churches are allegedly not part of the "only true & living church on the face of the earth" (D&C 1:30) -- thereby labeling them as false and dead? 
...all Protestant, Catholic & Orthodox creeds -- 100% of them -- are an "abomination" to the Mormon gods? 
...the gift of indwelling Holy Spirit is to be found NOWHERE outside of Mormonism?  
...no missionary work outside of Mormonism is recognized as divinely authorized?  
...no baptism outside of Mormonism is recognized as divinely authorized?  
...no communion outside of Mormonism is recognized as divinely authorized?  
...no spiritual gifts outside of Mormonism is recognized as divinely given?  
...although the apostle Paul wrote about prophetic gifts to the Corinthians (which is distinct from any official "OFFICE" of prophet as we find in the Old Testament), Mormonism claims no one but their top echelon speaks prophetically any more as guided by the Holy Spirit? [Ironically, many Mormon apologists and writers have attempted to belittle Christianity for saying God doesn't reveal revelations any more; yet, these very advocates of Mormonism have "bottled up" God from speaking to anyone beyond a few who happen to live in Salt Lake City!] 

Answer to each of these questions? The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (the Mormons) YOUR faith, Restornu, is it not? (Then start taking responsibility for what your tithe pays for!)

Why does your Mormon faith bash us 24/7 as the heirs of "the Great Apostasy?"

Why does your faith bash us 24/7, claiming we in the Christian church have... 
...zero priesthood authority? 
...zero authoritative, prophetic revelation 
...our spiritual forefathers corrupted the scriptures beyond internal restoration or reformation?

Why does your faith bash 100% of our professing believers as being "corrupt" -- corrupt in both our theology as well as our individual & collective morality? (Joseph Smith History, vv. 18-20, Pearl of Great Price)

219 posted on 01/13/2014 6:40:48 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: redleghunter; UriÂ’el-2012

Another Hebrew roots adherent?


220 posted on 01/13/2014 6:41:48 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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