[DManA]

Again and again the Bible tells us the punishment for sin is death.

It is illogical to say death = eternal life, but with agony.

[GonzoII]

"Again and again the Bible tells us the punishment for sin is death.

It is illogical to say death = eternal life, but with agony.

I wouldn't want to be on record calling God's Word illogical.

Think of "death" as life without the sun, what would it be? Its form would still exist but it wouldn't have the life it was intended to have. We could call it dead.

"Eternal life but with agony"

I think that's theologically correct.

[jimmyray]

Most Christians, much less non-Christians, don't realize the absurdity of the premise for the argument. People will not spend eternity in Heaven or Hell. They will spend eternity on the New Earth (and New Heavens, space travel?) or in the Lake of Fire!

Hell = Hades = abode of the dead (conscious?)

Gehenna = Lake of Fire = destination of Death, Hell and those whose names are not written on the book of life (Rev 20), aka the Second Death.

The Bible is plain that the Lake of Fire is everlasting, permanent, eternal, non-reversable, to which we all agree. What most Christians explain away is that the Lake of Fire is described with words like "punishement" "perish" "destroyed" and "second death". It is the annihilation of the person! "Worm shall not die" and "fire not quenched" notwithstanding, the Bible is very plain. The Lake of Fire is NOT conscious torment for all eternity.