Posted on 01/07/2014 1:55:57 PM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
Just wondering if anyone had any definitive facts on this, as I can't seem to find any.
If Perry Stone has Rabbis that he works with on spiritual matters, are they all Messianic Jewish Rabbis, some, or none?
>> “ there are those who disagree with that council even today, but history has shown that the punishment for such disagreement is total annihilation” <<
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The punishment for participation in Nicea and its spawn is the Lake that burns! That is what Yeshua called the Synagogue of Satan.
Yeshua (Jesus is a fake name) is the spirit of YHVH born in the body of a sinless man through a virgin, just as Isaiah prophesied.
One cannot get to YHVH except through belief in Yeshua’s perfect sacrifice.
His name is Yeshua because he yoshia his people (Israel)
That is what the angel Gabriel told Meriam.
I actually met one in Chicago at a continuing legal education seminar at the Chicago bar association on litigating religious rights. He was a nice guy, passionate about his faith and soft spoken and polite. I don’t see what that has to do with the history of so-called Messianic Judaism, except that perhaps if his missionaries had been more forthright about who they are he may have remained a Jew. I assume you think it is a goldfish that he did not. For me it is is tragedy.
My phone changed “good thing” to “goldfish”. Sort of funny in a nonsensical way.
No, Torah doesn’t say otherwise!
Moses prophesied Yeashua in Deuteronomy 18.
The feasts are all about Yeshua in every way. They tell Yehova’s plan from Egypt to the new Jerusalem at the end of this millennium.
Your variety of Judaism, with its false ‘oral’ Torah is the charade. Only the Karaites have it correct.
>> My phone changed “good thing” to “goldfish” <<
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Gotta love auto-complete!
wow ... I feel like I was just chastised ... sighs ... anyhoo ...
So are you saying there is no Messiah coming for the tribes of Judah or Israel?
I’m trying to find it in the first 5 Books of Scripture about this, and some passages did come up.
It’s in the Book of Genesis 49:10 - The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.
Then in Deuteronomy 18:18 I found this - I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.
I’m not sure either if the tribes of Judah and Israel read from the Isaiah Scroll but I also found this in the Book of Isaiah 7:13-14 -
And he said, Hear ye now, O house of David; Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will ye weary my God also? Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel (`Immanuw’el).
So, do any of the above verses apply?
Also, you say “Yah” is not His Name?
But in the Book of Exodus 3:14 it says:
Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM (hayah) hath sent me unto you.
Now I’m wondering if I should change my screen name to “A child of HaYaH .... hmmm... nah ... the LORD knows who I mean ... smiles
In most Jewish homes, there is still a chair left open or a cup waiting for Elijah so most do not believe he came..
I would like to know if the Jews who believe in the Messiah, do they acknowledge the fulfillment of that in their observances?
I could see if Jews get together and started observing each feast, then a Jew who believes in the Messiah could go to each part of the ceremony and point out when Joshua the Messiah fulfilled this or that...
I could see how that would rub Jews who are awaitng messiah, the wrong way with someone piping up with a ‘mission accomplished’ ....
When I see hear about the ceremonies and traditions in the feasts study, I could see the fulfillments and I am just a silly gentile...
No and no. Jesus and the “new” testament starkly contradict every fundamental tenet of Judaism and the Jewish/Torah prescription for who would be the true Moshiach. End of story.
What did Joshua the Messiah contradict that would violate Torah as the Messiah?
“I support your right to believe as you wish, even though I disagree. And I wish you well”
It’s not a matter of belief. The Torah says what it says, not what you and your missionary pals make up. Facts, not beliefs. And don’t even start with “it’s a matter of interpretation”. It’s not. For people like me, who can read the original, and the 2,000 and 3,000 year old original oral law and commentary in scriptural Hebrew and Aramaic, you can’t begin to speak of interpretation. Whatever you have to say on the subject is of recent fabrication for the express purpose of proselytizing among unlearned Jews. IOW, purposeful manipulation and distortion.
Hi again ... I know you said “end of story”, but as a new student of the WORD, do you have a list of the “Fundamental Tenets or Requirements” in Judaism that fits the prescription?
Who is this fictional character, Joshua the Messiah? There’s no such person in the Torah, for starters. The balance of your question: everything.if you really want to know more, go to an Orthodox Rabbi, convert to Judaism and study Torah for about 25 years. But it’s not a quest for the truth, right?
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