Posted on 01/01/2014 3:47:12 PM PST by SeekAndFind
) A third objection to the perpetual virginity of Mary arises from the use of the word prototokos, translated ‘first-born’ in Luke’s gospel.
But the Greek word prototokos is used of Christ as born of Mary and of Christ’s relationship to His Father (Col 1:25). As the word does not imply other children of God the Father, neither does it imply other children of Mary.
The term “first-born” was a legal term under the Mosaic Law (Ex 6:14) referring to the first male child born to Jewish parents regardless of any other children following or not. Hence when Jesus is called the “first-born” of Mary it does not mean that there were second or third-born children.
” If she had had other children, there would have been NO NEED for Jesus to have entrusted the care of his mother to the Apostle John.”
He was the oldest.
Jesus was God. He had the right to make any voice that accomplished His will.
Look at that again ... :-) ...
... since the Bible that talks about Jesus’ life was written in GREEK. ...
The Hebrew part, and the miniscule Aramaic part wasn’t about “Jesus’ life” ... :-) ...
A sincere question on this question. Please describe the mechanism by which God himself wrote the "inerrant and infallible word". How did it happen practice? Because Bible scholars, those that I know of, would disagree.
You speak heresy.
“There is a great difference between the Tsar’s Russian which is still spoken in Russian Orthodox Churches today and the Soviet Russian.”
As it turns out, Russia remains outside the Holy Land and the NT remains not written in Russian.
Could be Jesus’ legal half-brother via Joseph, a widower when he married Mary.
I disagree. I also know many Russian families and Russian nuns and priests inside the Holy lands.
Russia was the primary owner of the Holy Lands during the time of the Tsars and they strived to make the Russian Orthodox religion as close to the beginnings of Christianity as possible.
Russian Orthodox families call siblings and first cousins ‘brothers and sisters’ not in the protestant evangelical way but in terms of biological relationships.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_the_Just
As a consequence of the orthodox doctrine of perpetual virginity, which does not allow that Mary had children after Jesus, Jerome considered that the term “brother” of the Lord should be read “cousin”. In addition, he concluded that James “the brother of the Lord,” (Gal.1:19) is therefore James, son of Alphaeus, one of the Twelve Apostles of Jesus, as well as James, the son of Mary Cleophas.
And it’s been this way for thousands of years.
What?
What a laugh. Luther didn’t “recover” the gospel. Though he DID try to take out some portions of the NT that were not to his liking. He got his pee-pee slapped for that one. He also tried to insert “faith ALONE” in to the NT, and even the other protestants weren’t having that.
See Post #21 ...
The Bible that was written about Jesus’ life was written in GREEK and not Hebrew. Greek is very clear on the matter.
See Post #21 ...
Scriptures used in Orthodox monasteries and churches are written in Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic as well as all the translations since including the Tsar’s Russian.
Russian Orthodox churches and monasteries often speak liturgically in the Tsar’s Russian.
The comment about Russian outside the holy lands is irrelevant. There are many Russian Orhodox Churches inside the Holy Land and they have been since the first millenium.
“As a consequence of the orthodox doctrine of perpetual virginity, which does not allow that Mary had children after Jesus, Jerome considered that the term “brother” of the Lord should be read “cousin”. In addition, he concluded that James “the brother of the Lord,” (Gal.1:19) is therefore James, son of Alphaeus, one of the Twelve Apostles of Jesus, as well as James, the son of Mary Cleophas.”
Jerome lived in 347 ad.
There is no evidence in any form before 100ad that Mary remained a virgin.
There were many false ideas - many pagan - that had risen by the time of Jerome.
The Greek Word choice God inspired is “brothers” - not “cousins”.
Jerome was not under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit when he “determined” and “concluded”.
You can read about it here: Brethren of the Lord (Link)
Note that Lot, for example, is called Abraham’s "brother" (Gen. 14:14), even though, being the son of Haran, Abraham’s brother (Gen. 11:26–28), he was actually Abraham’s nephew. Similarly, Jacob is called the "brother" of his uncle Laban (Gen. 29:15). Kish and Eleazar were the sons of Mahli. Kish had sons of his own, but Eleazar had no sons, only daughters, who married their "brethren," the sons of Kish. These "brethren" were really their cousins (1 Chr. 23:21–22).
The terms "brothers," "brother," and "sister" did not refer only to close relatives. Sometimes they meant kinsmen (Deut. 23:7; Neh. 5:7; Jer. 34:9), as in the reference to the forty-two "brethren" of King Azariah (2 Kgs. 10:13–14).
As God, Jesus Christ could do whatever He chose.
Jerome was following church scholars from the first century. It didn’t just start at the time of Jerome. It was there before his time and he merely codified it.
The church today owes Luther a debt of gratitude for recovering the Gospel of Grace.
If you don’t share that gratitude, you don’t understand it or reject it. Both are between you and a God.
You said ... “You speak heresy.”
LOL ... well, I guess this must be a “heretical section” of the Bible, then ... :-) ...
Matthew 13 ...
54 And when He had come to His own country, He taught them in their synagogue, so that they were astonished and said, “Where did this Man get this wisdom and these mighty works?
55 Is this not the carpenter’s son? Is not His mother called Mary? And His brothers James, Joses, Simon, and Judas?
56 And His sisters, are they not all with us? Where then did this Man get all these things?”
57 So they were offended at Him. But Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor except in his own country and in his own house.”
58 Now He did not do many mighty works there because of their unbelief.
NOTICE that Jesus didn’t say, “Look, you guys can’t even get it right that there were no brothers or sisters in my house and my mother never had any other kids. If you can’t get that right, right in the middle of YOUR OWN TOWN, what makes you think you can get anything else right?”
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