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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Yes!! That is why we need a savior - however the issue here is how our free will fits in with His saving grace.

John 20:21-23 clearly confers the power of forgiveness to men. Why would Jesus do this if it wasn’t needed??


445 posted on 12/30/2013 10:56:24 AM PST by stonehouse01
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To: stonehouse01
stone, on my way to the gym. I'll let my former prof. Tom Constable answer your question...

verse 23 about forgiveness...

The second part of each conditional clause in this verse is in the passive voice and the perfect tense in the Greek text. The passive voice indicates that someone has already done the forgiving or retaining. That person must be God since He alone has the authority to do that (Matt. 9:2–3; Mark 2:7; Luke 5:21). The perfect tense indicates that the action has continuing effects; the sins stand forgiven or retained at least temporarily if not permanently.

... when His disciples went to others with the message of salvation, as He had done, some people would believe and others would not. Reaction to their ministry would be the same as reaction to His had been. He viewed their forgiving and retaining the sins of their hearers as the actions of God’s agents. If people (“any” or “anyone,” plural Gr. tinon) believed the gospel, the disciples could tell the believers that God had forgiven their sins. If they disbelieved, they could tell them that God had not forgiven but retained their sins. Constable, T. (2003). Tom Constable’s Expository Notes on the Bible (Jn 20:23). Galaxie Software.

447 posted on 12/30/2013 11:06:16 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Truth is hate to those who hate the Truth)
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To: stonehouse01

If someone opens the bible and actually reads the verse - it is very powerful that for some reason Our Lord gave the power to forgive sins to men. Remember- He Himself was castigized for forgiving sins and the Jews of the time were outraged (justly so for them; I am not an anti semite!) And then according to scripture (John 20:21-23) he gives the power to men.


450 posted on 12/30/2013 11:43:18 AM PST by stonehouse01
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