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To: aMorePerfectUnion

“..your train leaves the rails...”

Maybe the order is reversed? Our order was first.

Still- Catholics DO believe that belief is saving. The issue is that the entire life of Christ and the OT starting with the 10 Commandments is about doing. The deeds must be DONE - the Commandments must be obeyed. Beatitudes = do. If you don’t - are you still saved simply because you (a person, not you personally)

Free Will - Eve chose the fruit out of her FREE WILL and lost paradise.

The Lord, Lord scripture applies here as well as all scripture that exhorts us to follow His example= the road is narrow - not because they believe ONLY = because they follow the path


432 posted on 12/30/2013 9:31:33 AM PST by stonehouse01
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To: stonehouse01

Mea culpa - meant to ask is a person still saved because they believe only? Why a conscience then?

Get out your bible and read Matthew 7:21 and see how that works out.


434 posted on 12/30/2013 9:34:35 AM PST by stonehouse01
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Free Will - Eve chose the fruit out of her FREE WILL and lost paradise.

However, no one since then can make the claim to having free will.

We are now slaves to sin.

No man can come to God unless God draws him first and convicts him of sin, righteousness, and judgment.

456 posted on 12/30/2013 12:39:28 PM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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