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To: editor-surveyor
The “fullness of the gentiles” is the out of covenant House of Israel. And that is also the identity of the church.

No it isn't...The out of convenant house of Israel is, Israel...The out of covenant everyone else is Gentiles...When those from either group come to trust in Jesus, they leave those groups and they become Christians; the church...

And when God shuts the door to those of both groups, the times of the Gentiles will be fulfilled since the eyes of (most of) Israel have been blinded so they don't see it anyway...

387 posted on 12/27/2013 6:49:03 PM PST by Iscool
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To: Iscool

The gentiles of the NT were mostly out of covenant Hebrews.


389 posted on 12/27/2013 7:03:27 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Iscool
John 7:35 Then said the Jews among themselves, Whither will he go, that we shall not find him? will he go unto the dispersed among the Gentiles, and teach the Gentiles?
390 posted on 12/27/2013 7:07:37 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Iscool

Most of the people whose eyes are at least partly open are of the lost sheep of Israel. But really, the church of our day is incredibly blind.


391 posted on 12/27/2013 7:11:55 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: Iscool; editor-surveyor
[editor-surveyor:] The “fullness of the gentiles” is the out of covenant House of Israel. And that is also the identity of the church.

No it isn't...The out of convenant house of Israel is, Israel...The out of covenant everyone else is Gentiles...When those from either group come to trust in Jesus, they leave those groups and they become Christians; the church...

No. editor-surveyor is right. the 'fullness of the gentiles' is defined in the Old Testament. as is the term 'gentile' which means 'without or outside of covenant' (The term 'Gentile Christians' cracks me up every time). There is only Covenant and non-covenant (gentile), and nothing else. And since the new covenant is made with the House of Judah and the House of Israel, and the gentiles are inherited by them (adopted), one had better hope that the House of Israel (Ephraim specifically) is the 'fullness of the Gentiles'...

And when God shuts the door to those of both groups, the times of the Gentiles will be fulfilled since the eyes of (most of) Israel have been blinded so they don't see it anyway...

You'll then have to show me where the House of Israel was rejected. The House of Judah, no doubt. But the House of Israel (lo ammi, Not my People) are a different story altogether.

You've got to read the front of the Book. That is where you will find these things defined.

400 posted on 12/27/2013 9:57:38 PM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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