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To: CynicalBear; jimmyray

>> “Those who deny the rapture” <<

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Your comment makes no sense whatsoever.

I am unaware of anyone ever denying the First Resurrection. There are conflicting assertions WRT when it occurs, but no denial that I can find.

Your comment is especially vexing to a thinking person since it was in reply to jimmyray’s post specifically on the resurrection as Yeshua called it, at the last trump. (that is also where Paul called it in 1Corinthians 15).

Can you tell us who denied the First Resurrection? And When they did it? Or is this all a smokescreen?

>> “ Yet they also will, with great enthusiasm, proclaim we will not know the day or the hour of Christ’s return.” <<

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No one that has even a modicum of understanding of how Yom Teruah is determined could possibly make such a proclamation. It is the observation of the new moon at the temple mount in Jerusalem that marks the occurrence of Yom Teruah, and since it can be dependent on weather conditions, truly no one can call it out in advance. The moon has to be sighted. That is all that is meant by the declaration that no man knows the day nor hour. If you had any understanding of the traditions that Yeshua was explaning, you would have known that.

I would like also to call your attention to the fact that Daniel didn’t make any reference to a temple in his prophecy regarding the abomination; it could simply be in the open on the mount and still satisfy Daniel’s prophecy. Yeshua, speaking in Matthew, said only that he would stand in the holy place, which by any reasonable understanding would be on the mercy seat of the Ark. (that is the only “holy place” that presently exists)

So Yeshua got it right, and so did Daniel, and it appears to this observer that you have something wrong.


292 posted on 12/26/2013 10:56:03 AM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor; jimmyray
>>Your comment makes no sense whatsoever.<<

I have no doubt that they make no sense to you.

>>I am unaware of anyone ever denying the First Resurrection.<<

Nor am I.

>>Your comment is especially vexing to a thinking person<<

Perhaps it would be better just to take scripture a stop all that carnal thinking.

>>Yeshua called it, at the last trump<<

Per you is the “last trump” when the antichrist sets himself up in the temple, after the battle of Armageddon, after the thousand year reign or some other time?

>>No one that has even a modicum of understanding of how Yom Teruah<<

It would be best if we all used the language from the New Testament. We are not all Jewish imposters.

>>If you had any understanding of the traditions that Yeshua was explaning, you would have known that.<<

What do you know of my understanding of the traditions of Jesus? Surely you’re not a mind reader are you? Surely you aren’t trying to make this personal and attempt to denigrate me are you?

>>I would like also to call your attention to the fact that Daniel didn’t make any reference to a temple in his prophecy regarding the abomination; it could simply be in the open on the mount and still satisfy Daniel’s prophecy.<<

Given that Israel has everything ready to build the temple probably makes you a little nervous then.

>>Yeshua, speaking in Matthew, said only that he would stand in the holy place,<<

Yeah, I’m sure the “sanctuary of strength” is simply somebody’s back yardwhere they have spread holy water or swung around the holy smoke right?

Daniel 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

I’m sure for those who like to establish their doctrines and beliefs on one verse or one passage this all seems complicated. It would be especially problematic for someone who doesn’t even think we have the infallible, Holy Spirit inspired New Testament available to us today.

297 posted on 12/26/2013 2:28:09 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: editor-surveyor; jimmyray
>>Yeshua, speaking in Matthew, said only that he would stand in the holy place<<

That would be a problem for anyone who doesn’t think the New Testament as we have it today is the infallible, Holy Spirit inspired word of God. For those who have total faith in the ability of God to preserve His word for us today it isn’t a problem. You see, the Holy Spirit through Paul said this.

2 Thessalonians 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

300 posted on 12/26/2013 3:05:37 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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