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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

King James Bible
In the beginning was the Word, & the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The Revised English Bible Translates John 1:1

John 1:1
“...and what God was, the Word was.”

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Please note that these different translations do not say the same thing. And The Revised English Bible is an authoritative translation.
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189 posted on 12/22/2013 10:27:42 PM PST by tedw
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To: tedw
For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross. Col. 1:9 NIV

For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form, and you have been given fullness in Christ, who is the head over every power and authority. Col. 2:9 NIV

IF THE FULLNESS OF THE GODHEAD (DEITY) LIVES IN JESUS, THEN HOW MUCH MORE OF THE GODHEAD HAS TO LIVE IN HIM FOR HIM TO BE GOD?

194 posted on 12/22/2013 10:55:28 PM PST by GarySpFc (We are saved by the precious blood of the God-man.)
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I don’t think you can actually show me what the difference in meaning is between:

“When all things began, the Word already was. The Word dwelt with God, and what God was, the Word was.” (REB John 1:1)

And Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

God is = God
What God was + The Word was = God

By the way, the REB is not a direct translation. It is a “dynamic” translation:

“Because dynamic equivalence eschews strict adherence to the grammatical structure of the original text in favor of a more natural rendering in the target language, it is sometimes used when the readability of the translation is more important than the preservation of the original grammatical structure.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_and_formal_equivalence

Here’s a literal translation:

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God; (Young’s Literal Translation)

Another literal translation, same exact wording

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (LITV)

The Vulgate agrees, same exact wording:

Joh 1:1 in principio erat Verbum et Verbum erat apud Deum et Deus erat Verbum

Webster, with no difference:

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The ESV, no difference:

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Same with MKJV, Murdock, Revised Version, Weymouth 1912 translation.

The International Standard version:

Joh 1:1 In the beginning, the Word existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The Jubilee Bible uses the same exact wording as all the former. As does the ASV,

The BBE reads:

Joh 1:1 From the first he was the Word, and the Word was in relation with God and was God.

The CEV:

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the one who is called the Word. The Word was with God and was truly God.

The Darby uses the KJV’s reading, as do most of the others. The DRB agrees. The English Majority Text concurs.

The ERV:

Joh 1:1 Before the world began, the Word was there. The Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Finally, the KJV with strong’s numbers:

Joh 1:1 InG1722 the beginningG746 wasG2258 theG3588 Word,G3056 andG2532 theG3588 WordG3056 wasG2258 withG4314 God,G2316 andG2532 theG3588 WordG3056 wasG2258 God.G2316

The latter words: ho (the) logos (Word) ane (was) Theos (God).

In case you don’t know, but the verb to be is a linking verb here, with Theos (God) being the predicate nominative. Word = God, in other words.


195 posted on 12/22/2013 10:55:43 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: tedw

Actually, a mistake. The vulgate reads it “In the Beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and God was the Word.”

The latter order is just changed over :)


196 posted on 12/22/2013 10:59:00 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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