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Ted Haggard on How Not to Repent
The Aquila Report ^ | December 18, 2013 | David Murray

Posted on 12/18/2013 6:39:15 AM PST by Gamecock

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To: editor-surveyor
“the law” is used in Paul’s epistles

Actually a good description of what Paul's talking about is found in 2 Corinthians 3:6-11 where he calls the law of the ten commandments "the ministration of death, written and engraved in stones" (v.7) and "the ministration of condemnation" (v.9) which glory is "done away" (v.7).

Again, it is not failure to keep the law that causes us to fall from grace. It is just the opposite. The whole of Galatians teaches that trying to be justified by the works of the law causes us to fall from grace and makes Christ "of no effect" (Gal 5:4). There is also a double curse on those who preach any other gospel than the gospel of the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ (Gal 1:8 & 1:9) which gospel he describes throughout the book of Galatians as well as Romans.

Paul changed nothing

That may be so. However, "the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw near unto God" (Hebrews 7:19).

21 posted on 12/18/2013 9:32:36 AM PST by PapaNew
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To: editor-surveyor

“For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions,”


22 posted on 12/18/2013 10:02:57 AM PST by .45 Long Colt
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To: editor-surveyor

Do a search for “psychoheresey” and read the free eBook. This plague of putting man’s word above God’s has inflicted the church. Regretfully, Haggard has fallen into this trap as well.


23 posted on 12/18/2013 11:19:49 AM PST by The Truth Will Make You Free
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To: PapaNew
Paul changed nothing

Your post is good. Paul didn't change the law, he wrote that WE have changed, and are set free from the law. The Jerusalem Council said the same thing. I'll trust the Jerusalem Council over any modern Messianic.

24 posted on 12/18/2013 12:29:54 PM PST by aimhigh
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To: PapaNew
No, you totally miss the message in Galatians.

What the English translators called “the works of the law” was the false oral law of the Prushim.

And in 2Corinthians, you miss the fact that he called the laws written in stone “glorious.”

You have written your own gospel here and it is very much like Haggard’s.

You invent a false gospel in your twisting of Paul's words in Galatians 1; Paul called out no “gospel of Grace,”

[8] “But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.”

Beware of the curse of adding to Yehova's word.

25 posted on 12/18/2013 1:20:59 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: PapaNew
No, you totally miss the message in Galatians.

What the English translators called “the works of the law” was the false oral law of the Prushim.

And in 2Corinthians, you miss the fact that he called the laws written in stone “glorious.”

You have written your own gospel here and it is very much like Haggard’s.

You invent a false gospel in your twisting of Paul's words in Galatians 1; Paul called out no “gospel of Grace,”

[8] “But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.”

Beware of the curse of adding to Yehova's word.

26 posted on 12/18/2013 1:22:11 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: aimhigh
Actually nothing changed the law. What changed was God's covenant with man upon the death of His Son, Jesus Christ (Heb. 8:6-13). The Bible says the law is "holy, just, and good" (Rom 7:12). The problem is with man - he can't keep the law and was never meant to. The law came about to expose man to his absolute shortcomings. "Wherefore, the law was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith" [not works] (Gal. 3:24). The problem with the law is it can't fix anyone (Heb 7:19), it can only condemn.

Jesus (not Paul) changed everything, not by abolishing the law, but by fulfilling it for us (Matt 5:17). We are no longer under the law (Rom 6:14). Jesus did what we could never do. So becasue of Jesus, we are righteous, accepted, forgiven and victorious, not because of our works, but because of His works. Hallelujah! THAT is the gospel of the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ. Shout it from the mountain tops.

27 posted on 12/18/2013 3:00:54 PM PST by PapaNew
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To: editor-surveyor
Paul called out no “gospel of Grace,”

"I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel." Galatians 1:6 - the theme of Galatians.

"But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God. Acts 20:24 (Paul speaking, but does it really matter? The Holy Spirit is speaking).

Paul and the Holy Spirit call it the gospel of the grace of God. Are you a greater authority than they?

you miss the fact that he called the laws written in stone “glorious”

And you miss the fact that the laws written in stone are called the ministration of death and condemnation whose glory is done away (2 Cor. 3:7,9,11) replaced by the greater glory of the ministration of the spirit and righteousness (2 Cor. 3:8-11) which righteousness is not by works of the law but by faith.

28 posted on 12/18/2013 3:34:22 PM PST by PapaNew
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To: PapaNew

What comic book are you using for a Bible?


29 posted on 12/18/2013 3:38:25 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: PapaNew
Hebrews 8:10

For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:


Hebrews 10:16

This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

30 posted on 12/18/2013 3:58:48 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: PapaNew

Amen!


31 posted on 12/18/2013 4:10:21 PM PST by aimhigh
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To: editor-surveyor
You leave out the most powerful and meaningful part of the New Covenant:

For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. In that he says, A new covenant, he has made the first old. Now that which decays and waxes old is ready to vanish away. Heb 8:12-13.

And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. Heb 10:17.

This is the meaning of Jesus' cry, "It is finished!" Jesus did it all. We are redeemed, not by our works but by His blood. This is the gospel of the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ. Another gospel of justification by the works of the law is cursed. Haggard and I and anyone who receives Jesus were forgiven 2000 years ago. The issue now is not sin but Christ. Receiving Christ gives us eternal life apart from how "bad" we are. Refusing to receive Christ brings death apart from how "good" we are.

32 posted on 12/18/2013 4:15:14 PM PST by PapaNew
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To: Gamecock; metmom; Alex Murphy; RnMomof7
Great meditation.

"Rend your heart, and not your garments."—Joel 2:13.

For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. For, being ignorant of the righteousness of God, and seeking to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness. Rom 10:2-3

33 posted on 12/18/2013 5:08:21 PM PST by HarleyD (...one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved.)
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To: HarleyD

Indeed.

I have the app on my smart phone. Very useful.


34 posted on 12/18/2013 5:20:35 PM PST by Gamecock (Celebrating 20,000 posts of dubious quality.)
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To: editor-surveyor
No, you totally miss the message in Galatians.

What the English translators called “the works of the law” was the false oral law of the Prushim.

The issue immediately at question in the Galatian church was whether Christians needed to be circumcised.

Please tell us: was circumcision required by the "false oral law of the Prushim," or by the law of God as received by Moses?

35 posted on 12/19/2013 12:51:17 PM PST by RansomOttawa (tm)
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To: RansomOttawa

No, that was not the issue in the post.

Try to concentrate.


36 posted on 12/19/2013 1:24:40 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: aimhigh
>> “WE have changed, and are set free from the law.” <<

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Really? - I thought that Paul was the author of

Romans 2:

[12] For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
[13] (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified

>> “The Jerusalem Council said the same thing” <<

Oh? Maybe your Bible lacks Acts 15:

[19] Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
[20] But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
[21] For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day.

Now what was that that Moses wrote?

37 posted on 12/19/2013 1:40:51 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
So you reject the Jerusalem Council's conclusion? A conclusion which pleased the Holy Spirit? You know more than the Holy Spirit? Who knew?

"Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, “You must be circumcised and keep the law”—to whom we gave no such commandment—it seemed good to us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men to you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. . . . . For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things: that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well." Acts 15:23-29

(editor-surveyor: Not as smart as I'd hoped he'd be)

38 posted on 12/19/2013 2:53:37 PM PST by aimhigh
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To: HarleyD; Gamecock; metmom; Alex Murphy

I believe we are at the end of time.. we see the the fulfillment of scriptural parables that warned us of what would happen to the church .. The wolves are more than at the door, they stand in places of church honor and teach those with itching ears.

Do any of you listen to fighting for the faith? Chris plays the sermons of these people and they are self centered and self serving ..they really believe the bible is all about them


39 posted on 12/20/2013 4:34:45 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7

Hey! How are you doing?

Long time, no see.


40 posted on 12/20/2013 5:22:43 PM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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