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To: CynicalBear

I already posted an article about that.
Read 20:14. It says the lake of fire is the second death.

Now read Revelation 1:20: The seven stars are the angels[e] of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches.

The churches are not really lampstands. The angels are not really stars, and the second death is not really a lake of fire.

This is revelation. Regarding this sort of stuff, it is rife with symbolism. Now, if that symbolism matches a bunch of other scriptures in detail, that’s different. But I would not get my entire stand on the fate of the lost from text rich in symbolism when the bible talks about their fate dozens of times, always referring to it as death, destruction, the same fate as animals, the opposite of eternal life, perish, etc.

The evidence truly is overwhelming that those that are not saved cease to exist for all eternity.


102 posted on 12/16/2013 6:33:10 PM PST by cuban leaf
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To: cuban leaf
“shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever” is NOT metaphor.

I think you really need to do a study of the Greek words used for death and thier use in scripture. It can refer to spiritual death or bodily death. It basically means a separation from. It does not mean to “exist no more”. The Greek word used in Revelation thanatos and does NOT mean lifeless. The Greek word nekros means lifeless and is NOT used in those passages.

Again, the word used for those who die the “second death” is thonatos.
Thonatos - the death of the body that separation (whether natural or violent) of the soul and the body by which the life on earth is ended with the implied idea of future misery in hell the power of death since the nether world, the abode of the dead, was conceived as being very dark, it is equivalent to the region of thickest darkness i.e. figuratively, a region enveloped in the darkness of ignorance and sin metaph., the loss of that life which alone is worthy of the name, the misery of the soul arising from sin, which begins on earth but lasts and increases after the death of the body in hell the miserable state of the wicked dead in hell in the widest sense, death comprising all the miseries arising from sin, as well physical death as the loss of a life consecrated to God and blessed in him on earth, to be followed by wretchedness in hell Lexicons - New Testament Greek Lexicon - New Testament Greek Lexicon - New American Standard – Thanatos

Using just the English words will not lead to understanding what scripture is saying.

>>The evidence truly is overwhelming that those that are not saved cease to exist for all eternity.<<

No it isn’t. The evidence is overwhelming that those who die the second death will suffer for eternity.

106 posted on 12/16/2013 7:13:47 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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110 posted on 12/16/2013 10:58:43 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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