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To: SoConPubbie
Taken out of context of Christ's words and the words of the Apostle, yes, you would be correct that our obedience to the Law of God, including the Old Testament Laws is necessary for those that want to have eternal salvation.

I think it's a given that there are laws that are written in the books of the old testament that are valid today because they are eternal laws. The ten commandments for example fall into this category.

However, now add back in the rest of what was said in the New Testament, including those scriptures already posted to you on this thread, and you get the complete picture of what the Apostle Paul was stating, that unless you believe the Gospel (Obey God) in the form of salvation delivered by Christ and fully documented in the New Testament, you will not have eternal Salvation. The obedience He requires, is accepting and believing his Gospel, His method of finding God, being born-again, Repentence and Faith, not obeying the Law, that is, unless you think you are smarter than Christ and His Apostles.

Nah of course not...I'm an idiot but I believe what I read...

1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.

Rev_12:17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

1Jn_3:22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. 1Jn_3:24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

1Jn_3:22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight.

1Jn_3:24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

1Co_7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.

Mat 19:16 Now behold, one came and said to Him, "Good Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life?"
Mat 19:17 So He said to him, "Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments."

The point being that when we let Christ live through us the natural result will be that we SEEM to be keeping the commandments of God. Our lives, hearts and spirit will and should conform to the spirit of Christ. It's not "us" keeping commandments....it's us letting Christ live through us.

192 posted on 12/13/2013 3:49:16 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC
The point being that when we let Christ live through us the natural result will be that we SEEM to be keeping the commandments of God. Our lives, hearts and spirit will and should conform to the spirit of Christ. It's not "us" keeping commandments....it's us letting Christ live through us.

This last comment is true, maybe it's just the way you are arguing the point.

No man, without faith in, and the application of Christ's sacrifice to his life, can obey God. For proof I present the whole of Roman's chapter 7.

Without the change of heart and forgiveness of sin that comes with the New Birth that is documented in the Gospel, man is hopelessly trapped in Romans chapter 7. It is only after man repents (chapter 7) and believes the Gospel and falls on Christ (Romans 8:1) that a man is free from the sin that had him bound and is then able to obey God and do good works. One absolutely comes before the other.
195 posted on 12/13/2013 4:16:26 PM PST by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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