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To: redleghunter; smvoice
>> In at least three places in Acts Paul preaches repentance.<<

The question that needs asked in that regard is, who was Paul talking to at that point and was it before the council at Jerusalem. It was at the council of Jerusalem that Paul was freed if you will. I can just imagine that prior to that time Paul would have been a little apprehensive to just “go off on his own” and freely preach what he believed he had been given by Christ. It was a the council of Jerusalem that Peter even told the rest that he “realized” there was a change and it was at that time that they “gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them”.

Peter earlier in the chapter gave a hint when he was talking saying “And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.” Then said “Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?” That tells us the entire council had been called for the purpose of discussing all the “rules” that had been taught. In verse 2 there had been a “disputation” about what rules which was the reason they called for he council. It’s obvious from that that Paul was teaching something different then the Jewish disciples (not just the apostles) were teaching.

It wasn’t a “different gospel” because the gospel is one. It was a different dispensational teaching. Paul said “For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles, If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God, which is given me to youward: How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery, as I wrote afore in few words.

He also told us there would be another dispensation to come. Eph 1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him

409 posted on 11/28/2013 2:07:05 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: CynicalBear

Absolutely true, CB. I’m at a loss for what is missing in the understanding. THREE of us have made our position clear, with Scripture. Hope you had a GREAT Thanksgiving!


412 posted on 11/28/2013 4:03:50 PM PST by smvoice (HELP! I'm trapped inside this body and I can't get out!)
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To: CynicalBear; smvoice; daniel1212; presently no screen name; Iscool; roamer_1

What gospel do you think Peter preached in Acts 10 to Cornelius the Gentile? Was it Grace or repentance.

Paul later in Acts in his sermons (after chapter 15-Jerusalem council) tells the hearers both Jew and Greek to repent. That can be found in Acts 17 and Acts 20. Then when Paul heads back to Jerusalem he summarizes his ministry by saying he preached all should repent. That can be found in Acts 26.

Then we have Paul saying below they all preach the same gospel:

1 Corinthians 15:5-11 NASB

and that He appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. After that He appeared to more than five hundred brethren at one time, most of whom remain until now, but some have fallen asleep; then He appeared to James, then to all the apostles; and last of all, as to one untimely born, He appeared to me also. For I am the least of the apostles, and not fit to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me did not prove vain; but I labored even more than all of them, yet not I, but the grace of God with me. Whether then it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed.

Isn’t Paul admitting here that all aforementioned preached the same Gospel?

We know that Paul said his commission was not to baptize. I give that double barrels to the Romans. However 1 Corinthians still tells us believers are baptized in water. What changed? Did Peter institute the first believers baptism with Cornelius before Paul started his ministry?

By your view of two gospels, I am assuming you believe the Holy Spirit indwelled both repentance kingdom gospel Jews and Grace gospel believers? Does that make them one or two bodies in Christ? Paul spoke a lot about one Head which is Christ and we are the members of His Body.

I will offer that if we look closely at the historical event of Pentecost and understand the scriptures Peter quotes and links to the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, it is the same Gospel clearly outlined by Paul in 1 Corinthians 15. Same if we look closely at Acts 3. Later we see Philip leading the Ethiopian to Christ using Isaiah 53. Some call Isaiah 53 the Gospel according to Isaiah. The scriptural evidence is there is one Christ, one gospel (the one He gave see Luke 24), one Holy Spirit and One Body.

I will ask again...by your view when does the Grace dispensation replace the “kingdom” dispensation? I have been given multiple allusions, hints etc, but nothing solid.

Finally what do we do with these words from Jesus Christ in Luke 24:

46 Then He said to them, “Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day, 47 and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 And you are witnesses of these things. (NKJV)

Do we ignore the Words of Jesus Christ (Yeshua HaMashiach) or think “all nations” does not mean “all nations.” What do I see from examinining the scriptures in the OT and NT? That Peter and Paul and John are all faithful and true in executing our Lord and Savior’s mission statement. They follow it to the very jot and tittle and do not deviate.

Or do you believe the 4 Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are only for the circumcised?


422 posted on 11/28/2013 8:16:49 PM PST by redleghunter
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