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To: metmom
The Council at Jerusalem said.....

and the same council said they would learn as they go along, because Moses is preached there - They were learning in the synagogue. I asked you before, why do you suppose they only required three of the Noachide items? Noah is BEFORE Melchizedek. There is *no* precedent for only requiring *ANY* man (the Noachide Laws are for all mankind, without a doubt) less than the Noachide Law. The reason only three were given is that this is obviously the bare minimum, and that these initiates would learn as they went - To include Noachide AND Moses, because BOTH are Torah, and BOTH would be taught in the synagogue.

And you want to put us back under the Law? Not thanks. I am freed from that.

Not according to the scriptures. And not according to Yeshua. How does one 'go and sin no more' without knowing what sin is? How does one 'trust and obey' if there is nothing to do in order to obey? The OP is right on. There IS obedience. What does that look like?

Put yourself under bondage if you will. If God has convicted you about doing that for yourself, have at it.


1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

2Jn 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.


369 posted on 11/27/2013 11:17:40 AM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: roamer_1
1Jn 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

1Jn 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

2Jn 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

That right there came directly from Jesus in John's Gospel. The above should be "discipleship 101" for the newly saved. Also not bad parenting advice:)

There is a two fold message here. The commandments "Big 10" as you call them is what God uses to convict us we are sinners and are doomed. Jesus (Yeshua) elaborates on this by saying "Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect." Right there we are most certainly doomed because no way are we EVER going to come near or a sniff to the edge of The Father's Perfection. Thus, the law is used to convict the sinner to set their sites on Mt Zion instead of Mt Sinai. And God leads us there as well, all His doing.

The second part of the message John is giving us is that the same law that condemned us and we were in rebellion against and we hated because we hated the Light of it; is now our tutor, mentor and guide to pleasing God (that is not a work unto salvation). We are no longer under the condemnation of the law and no lonter fear it, we now love it because we know it is Holy because it came from God's Heart, and now that we are a new creature we love it because He loved us first. The fire (the law) no longer burns us in judgement, it is now like a fire place keeping us warm in our homes, a companion not an enemy.

374 posted on 11/27/2013 12:45:34 PM PST by redleghunter
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