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This is absolutely and perfectly correct! But then, wouldn't it be correct to assume that one can gauge one's walk with Messiah by how closely one is conformed to Him, and thus by how closely we conform to the Torah, which is what YHWH has wanted for us all along, and what Yeshua came to show us by example?

I can gauge my walk but not yours...But I don't think so, so much...Conforming to the Torah requires a lot of work of the flesh...Being led of the Spirit is a whole 'nother ball game...

Sure, which is why one needs something to meter with... to measure by... How does one know he is being obedient to his master? We are all bought with a price - how do we serve, and how do we know we are doing a proper job?

Jesus tells me, constantly...Again, I have the law written in my heart...He reminds me when I go crashing off the path...

There is no more Jew or Greek... No male or female ... No slave and master...

For those in Christ, that's true...

Doesn't it seem odd that the Torah, revealed from the beginning of Creation, should suddenly be set aside and then brought back again? Does the Master desire a lawless bride? Surely not! His bride will honor Him in obedience, and keep the laws of His Father's House, even as He does Himself! A wife obeys her husband because she loves Him.

God's wife in the Old Testament left him...Jesus' bride in the New Testament is the church...In the Old Testament, the wife could not keep the laws of the Father's house...Jesus became the Sacrifice because he knew they(Jews) and we (Gentiles) couldn't keep the laws...He traded his life for our inability to keep the laws...

It's not that we are lawless, it's that we fail at it so much...Jesus took care of that problem...

And the passage we are looking at (Mat 5:17...) directly speaks against your statement - Yeshua plainly says that every Jot and tittle is in place until heaven and earth pass away, and all is fulfilled. Are heaven and earth still here? YES. Is all fulfilled? NO.

You're right, I misspoke...I don't know what I was thinking...

Jesus did fulfill the law...But looking at the rest of those verses, if my righteousness (under the law) doesn't exceed that of the scribes and pharisees, I will never see the Kingdom...And in that case, I'm a lost cause...I can give up now because it's way too late...

But praise God...

Rom 3:21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Rom 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

"I don't have to keep the Law cuz my Jesus did it for me!" No offense, brother, but that ain't gonna cut it. The Master said to do and teach the Torah. Whether you are slave, disciple, or wife, obedience is the calling. He kept the law in order to be eligible to take our hit - but that doesn't mean we don't have to try.

There's all kinds of instruction all over the NT to walk uprightly and do those/or not those things contained in the law...I don't get where you think Christians feel they can act as tho they never had a personal experience with Jesus Christ and no change in their spirit has taken place...

Let me ask this...When you violate any aspect of the Torah, and everyone does, where do you go for the required atonement???

I can gauge my walk but not yours...

Of course...

But I don't think so, so much...Conforming to the Torah requires a lot of work of the flesh...Being led of the Spirit is a whole 'nother ball game...

That is odd... because conforming to the traditions of Christendom also require a lot of 'work of the flesh'... One just doesn't consider it such because one is used to it. Think about it.

And 'works of the flesh' btw, are not all bad... it is the assumption that one will find them salvific that brings the problem. 'Go and sin no more' naturally implies works.

For those in Christ, that's true...

What else is there: What else has there ever been? It has always been about saving the children of Adam, eh?

No, YHWH divorced one of His wives... but has sworn to remarry her... That is what Rom 7 is all about. And 'couldn't is different than 'didn't'...

And no, He didn't die because He knew we couldn't keep them... He died so we would be able to keep them. When we have His righteousness, we will all keep them by nature.

It's not that we are lawless, it's that we fail at it so much...Jesus took care of that problem...

What is lawlessness except being without the law? He did not die so that criminals could continue to be criminals... That is the great dichotomy. Without law there is no sin. without law, there is no iniquity, no wickedness.... and the liberal protestants have it right. Without the law backing up the sense of the BIG 2 you get 'Love God-daddy and be nice.' = Liberal Protestantism. Antinomianism. Whatever-you-wantism. == Laodicea

Nah... you know better than that : ) And keeping the Torah has never been salvific.

Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Right... but whom *ever* was justified by the law? Again, and again... That is not it's purpose, nor has it ever been.

First, you will not find *anything* changed in the Torah by the NT, necessarily, or Yeshua changed the Torah, which cannot be, or He is a false prophet - So the precepts found in the NT cannot be changes... Christian interpretation does not take that into consideration. And my point in this is about knowledge, not power - Any Christian is where he is on the path - But the destination is to be as much like Him as we can... That is how we draw in... come close... I am not saying that a change has not taken place in any Christian... WAY above my pay grade. But the distractions of Alter-christ certainly limit oneself from going as far down the path as one could - And preaching Alter-christ limits others... because the fullness of the truth is not found.

Let me ask this...When you violate any aspect of the Torah, and everyone does, where do you go for the required atonement???

The same place you do : )