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To: redleghunter; daniel1212; smvoice
>> There is no evidence they did unless we view repenting and getting down in the water as 'works.'<<

Don’t you risk getting into the RC trap there in that we must be baptized to be saved? Do our actions save us or is it strictly the shed blood of Christ and His sacrifice that saves us and the act of baptism simply obedience? How many times have we heard them say that they are baptized so are saved. The RCC even says that because Protestants are baptized they are saved “just like them”. Paul teaches grace through faith in the shed blood of Jesus alone on what saves. The actions of man do not save.

>> Peter, the 11 and Paul all preach the same gospel as clearly outlined in I Corinthians 15.<<

As far as I know Paul is the only one to teach the following.

Ephesians 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

Could you show me where any of the other apostles either taught or wrote that? Or are we injecting into what they said that teaching?

265 posted on 11/26/2013 10:15:00 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: CynicalBear
Don’t you risk getting into the RC trap there in that we must be baptized to be saved? Do our actions save us or is it strictly the shed blood of Christ and His sacrifice that saves us and the act of baptism simply obedience? How many times have we heard them say that they are baptized so are saved. The RCC even says that because Protestants are baptized they are saved “just like them”. Paul teaches grace through faith in the shed blood of Jesus alone on what saves. The actions of man do not save.

I did not imply baptism=salvation. What I said was "if you consider repenting and baptism as 'works'." They are not, they are actions and not works according to law as Paul terms works. The very fact that believers repented of their sins and were baptized is evidenced in the NT. So yes if you are a believer get in the water as Christ commanded and the apostles reinforced.

268 posted on 11/26/2013 10:46:17 AM PST by redleghunter
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To: CynicalBear
As far as I know Paul is the only one to teach the following. Ephesians 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; Could you show me where any of the other apostles either taught or wrote that? Or are we injecting into what they said that teaching?

1 Peter 1, the entire chapter is a very good reference. Even mentions born-again and the spotless lamb and the blood of Christ. Please start there. As with 1 John 1 also addresses the blood of Jesus Christ cleanses us from all sin.

I also mentioned in my last post that Philip preached from Isaiah 53 with the Ethiopian eunuch. The Suffering Servant.

270 posted on 11/26/2013 11:05:00 AM PST by redleghunter
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