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To: redleghunter; daniel1212; CynicalBear; Iscool

I’m saying that Peter did NOT preach that Christ DIED FOR OUR SINS. He indeed preached that Christ died, was buried and rose again the 3rd day. TO SIT UPON DAVID’S THRONE. And to await Israel’s recognition of Him as Messiah, at which point He would have returned to set up His Kingdom. But they, as a Nation, rejected Him, once again. Have you ever wondered what would have happened to us Gentiles HAD the nation Israel accepted Him as their Messiah on the day of Pentecost? What would the natural progression have been. Remember, Peter had already stated in Acts 2:16-21 that the prophecy given by Joel (Joel 2:28) was being fulfilled before their eyes. From everything that was happening, they were INDEED in the last days that Joel had prophesied.


185 posted on 11/24/2013 5:36:45 PM PST by smvoice (HELP! I'm trapped inside this body and I can't get out!)
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To: smvoice; CynicalBear; redleghunter; metmom; Iscool
I’m saying that Peter did NOT preach that Christ DIED FOR OUR SINS.

I am saying you need to study more of the Bible to see what Peter believed and taught. For Peter preached that faith in the Lord Jesus who died and rose provided forgiveness, as the Lord has long ago taught that and commissioned the apostles to preach it.

For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many. (Mark 10:45)

And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. (Luke 24:46-47)

As said, the two go together, and thus after Peter preached the death, burial and resurrection of Christ then he preached forgiveness and the Spirit by repentant faith in Him, confessed in baptism. (Acts 2:23-38)

The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree. Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins. (Acts 5:30-31)

Forgiveness was promised without a temple sacrifice because Christ was the sacrifice, and redemption was by faith, not earned by works. Which salvation by grace he likewise preached to the Gentiles

And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree: (Acts 10:39)

To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. (Acts 10:43)

Thus, while Peter is charged with preaching a different gospel than Paul, that of salvation by repentance, faith and works, and not preaching forgiveness on the basis of Christ's death, it is clear the two go together in Peter's preaching, and that this forgiveness and the Spirit are received by faith, faith that like Paul states, is confessed.

And this salvation by grace is further confirmed by Peter:

And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. (Acts 15:7-9)

And like as it is in Paul's epistles (not his recorded preaching) that we see the clearest statements on the atonement, Peter in writing to all, states,

Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: (1 Peter 1:18-19)

For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: (1 Peter 3:18)

He indeed preached that Christ died, was buried and rose again the 3rd day. TO SIT UPON DAVID’S THRONE. And to await Israel’s recognition of Him as Messiah, at which point He would have returned to set up His Kingdom.

That is a misinterpretation based on Acts 2, but Peter did not preach that Christ's death and resurrection had no other purpose than to sit on the throne of David so that Israel would accept Him and attain national restoration via a gospel of faith and works, ruling over the Gentiles left out in the cold.

For while it is indeed true that the Lord first offered Himself as the Messiah to Israel, yet the fact that He died was because they had rejected Him - according to "the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God" - and thus He provided for salvation for all, and thus preaching redemption to the Gentiles is included in the Great Commission and by Peter.

For understanding the atoning import of Christ's death, as made clear by Christ beforehand, Peter's message in Acts 2 was that Christ was the promised Messiah, whom they slew, but by this death and resurrection God provided for the remission of sins and reception of the Holy Spirit by faith, a faith that is confessed, as Paul also taught. (Acts 2:38; Rm. 10:9,10)

And while Peter's message of forgiveness was to an audience of Jews to whom the gospel was first to be preached (and thus his exhortation, "let all the house of Israel know" they had killed their Messiah), yet his message was not simply to them, but

the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. (Acts 2:39)

For this is what the Lord commanded:

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: (Matthew 28:19)

Have you ever wondered what would have happened to us Gentiles HAD the nation Israel accepted Him as their Messiah on the day of Pentecost? What would the natural progression have been.

The only real issue what Peter taught salvation was by, which remains to be by faith in the Messiah whose death provided for forgiveness and the Spirit, while your question confuses what would happen if the nation Israel accepted Christ as their Messiah beforehand, and He had not died but set up a theocracy with the Jews ruling over the Gentiles, versus Israel's acceptance after His death and resurrection.

For if Israel accepted Christ as their Messiah on the day of Pentecost then it would have been on the basis of needing forgiveness and regeneration just as just as Gentiles. For Israel, having rejected Christ already as their King (made plain by the words on the cross), this opened the way for salvation of Jews and Gentiles, "to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call," "and whosoever among you feareth God." (Acts 13:26 And which one flock Jesus had already alluded to. (Jn. 10:16)

Peter's focus was indeed on the Jews, but he knew the Great Commission was that of preaching redemption to all nations. And while until Acts 10 this was still yet understood by devout Peter as distancing himself from Gentiles as ceremonially unclean, yet the message to both was still that by the death and resurrection of Christ God provided for the remission of sins and reception of the Holy Spirit by faith in the risen Lord and Savior.

Remember, Peter had already stated in Acts 2:16-21 that the prophecy given by Joel (Joel 2:28) was being fulfilled before their eyes. From everything that was happening, they were INDEED in the last days that Joel had prophesied.

Yet it is in that day , rather than Israel being the elite elect,

it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: (Joel 2:28)

And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as the Lord hath said, and in the remnant whom the Lord shall call. (Joel 2:32)

Thus

Thus we are debtors both to the Jews and Gentiles, and to the Barbarians; both to the wise, and to the unwise, (cf. Romans 1:14) to give them the one "gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek." (Romans 1:16)

234 posted on 11/25/2013 3:54:28 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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