Posted on 11/17/2013 11:36:26 AM PST by SeekAndFind
On this thread you are the only pushing it, that I have seen.
Anyway, it is silly and a misdirection from the truth and history, so surely we have wasted enough time on it, since you say you don’t believe it anyway.
I found it interesting how the spectrum of comments here went from “accept what Jesus said and you’ll still be a Jew” to “accept it or face hellfire” (or to those effects).
It’s telling, their troubled psychology.
Boy, your “point” sure seemed like a long, sustained, many post argument, defending a claim that “Christian Zionism” accounted for the entire history of the Jewish vote.
It sure seemed like I was having an argument with you, not other posters.
Was Yeshua a Jew?
A person born of a Jewish mother, or who converts under Halacha, is Jewish until their death.
So...
Jews who eat pork chops are completely Jewish.
Jews who steal are completely Jewish.
Jews who commit adultery are completely Jewish.
...etc.
I am a Jew-Republican - Right wing- ultra conservative-CCL 24/7 365 and I have no ideal why my people vote Dem. I ran the snake path to the top of Masada with a IDF paratroop unit. And stood my post on the Golan in 1973. And the most important thing a Completed Jew. Trust me I’m one of few!
So do “Messianic Jews” believe in the Holy Trinity?
Since he specifically refers to them by a word we will call “Jew”, God must have a definition of what is a Jew.
I would guess that that definition would put the Torah and only the Torah at the very center of that Jewish universe.
The Torah represents God’s very presence upon the Earth. It is His Law and His Word. To put any other book even alongside the Torah would be, to my mind, a diminishment of the Link between Heaven and Earth. I believe a Jew keeps the Torah and only the Torah.
I see Jews as the Guardians of The Word of God, as the Guardians of the Truth (which foretells the coming of The Christ.
Absolute hogwash.
Jesus was Jewish. His disciples were Jewish.
The first converts in the church were Jewish.
Jews who accept Christ are sons and daughters of Abraham both physically and spiritually, by faith.
Accepting Christ does not negate your heritage.
What would a RF thread be without an atheist coming along and stirring the pot?
I’m guessing most Jews would argue that a Jew who accepts Jesus as their Messiah is not a Jew.
Nobody is required to *observe Christian beliefs* to be a believers in the Messiah.
Following Christ is not about the Law and rules or regulations or works.
It's about reconciliation with God through the perfect, sinless sacrifice which allows Him to forgive our sins since His justice has been satisfied, and to credit His Son's righteousness to our account, looking as us IN Christ as if we had never sinned.
Boring.
Genetics are genetics.
They can deny all they want but once you’re born, your mother is and always will be your mother, whether she likes it or not.
She can disown you, but nothing can change biological fact.
No. All that went away with the new covenant.
Matthew 15:11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.
Acts 10:9 On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:
10 And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,
11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
16 This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.
Yes. My mother is Jewish. I am Catholic.
A Jew remains so until death. There is no mechanism in Judaism akin to excommunication.
A Jew who worships Jesus in not practicing Judaism. As a practical matter, a Jew who practices Christianity and never returns to the practice of Judaism sadly breaks the transmission of Judaism upon their death.
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