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To: dangus
You’re comparing the Lutheran-Muslim alliance with the US-Soviet alliance?

There wasn't any Lutheran-Muzlim alliance...They both had their separates reasons form fighting the Catholics...They just happened to fight at the same time for a little while...

Yeah, that’s why the Catholic church treated Luther as more than just another idiot bumpkin: the German aristocracy were salivating over the chance to grow rich while their military rivals depleted their fortunes defending civilization, and Luther gave them the theological tools to justify their betrayal: He was the Jane Fonda, John Kerry and Code Pink of his day, rolled up into one.

In the eyes of the Catholic religion possibly...But in the eyes of biblical Christianity, Martin Luther was more like the founding Fathers of and for the U.S...

These are the people Luther brought into Poland

That's nuts...Luther or the Lutheran church didn't bring muzlims anywhere...The muzlims perhaps saw an opporutnity to attack the Catholic war machine from another side...

257 posted on 11/12/2013 12:19:51 PM PST by Iscool
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To: Iscool

From wikipedia, on the topic of the 30-Years’ War

In the east, the Protestant Hungarian Prince of Transylvania, Gabriel Bethlen, led a spirited campaign into Hungary with the support of the Ottoman Sultan, Osman II. Fearful of the Catholic policies of Ferdinand II, Gabriel Bethlen requested a protectorate by Osman II, so “the Ottoman Empire became the one and only ally of great-power status which the rebellious Bohemian states could muster after they had shaken off Habsburg rule and had elected Frederick V as a Protestant king”.[26] Ambassadors were exchanged, with Heinrich Bitter visiting Constantinople in January 1620, and Mehmed Aga visiting Prague in July 1620. The Ottomans offered a force of 60,000 cavalry to Frederick and plans were made for an invasion of Poland with 400,000 troops in exchange for the payment of an annual tribute to the Sultan.[27] These negotiations triggered the Polish–Ottoman War of 1620–21.[28] The Ottomans defeated the Poles, who were supporting the Habsburgs in the Thirty Years’ War, at the Battle of Cecora in September–October 1620,[29] but were not able to further intervene efficiently before the Bohemian defeat at the Battle of the White Mountain in November 1620.[30] Later Poles defeated the Ottomans at the Battle of Chocim and the war ended with status quo.[31]

The emperor, who had been preoccupied with the Uskok War, hurried to muster an army to stop the Bohemians and their allies from overwhelming his country. Count Bucquoy, the commander of the Imperial army, defeated the forces of the Protestant Union led by Count Mansfeld at the Battle of Sablat, on 10 June 1619. This cut off Count Thurn’s communications with Prague, and he was forced to abandon his siege of Vienna. The Battle of Sablat also cost the Protestants an important ally — Savoy, long an opponent of Habsburg expansion. Savoy had already sent considerable sums of money to the Protestants and even troops to garrison fortresses in the Rhineland. The capture of Mansfeld’s field chancery revealed the Savoyards’ involvement, and they were forced to bow out of the war.


258 posted on 11/12/2013 12:30:19 PM PST by dangus
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