To: Iscool
A Catholic has to go thru Mary to get salvation...
I am unaware of what prominent Catholic teaches this.
Mary is given authority over the Earth...She provides salvation, hope, love, healing and every thing else that is attributed to God...
She does? It appears that I am going wrong when I say (Night Office of the Liturgy of the Hours, every night) "Protect us, Lord, as we stay awake; watch over us as we sleep, that awake we may keep watch with Christ, and asleep, rest in his peace."
Perhaps I go wrong when I recite the Gospel Canticle:
"Lord, now let your servant go in peace; your word has been fulfilled:
my own eyes have seen the salvation which you prepared in the sight of every people:
a light to reveal you to the nations and the glory of your people Israel."
Does the succeeding prayer pass muster as Catholic:
All-powerful God,
keep us united with your Son
in his death and burial
so that we may rise to new life with him,
who lives and reigns for ever and ever.
The Nightly Prayer of the BVM follows, and I have listed in my book 4 to choose from (I can look up hymns approved by the USCCB and choose one of those I suppose): Hail Holy Queen, Loving Mother of the Redeemer, Hail Mary, and Queen of Heaven. But none of these prayers are Catholic as none of them say Mary is the Creator or the Redeemer; all of them do say she is the Mother of the Redeemer.
I just examined Psalm 95 (which is said as part of the Morning Office) where I say the following line
"Come, then, let us bow down and worship, bending the knee before the Lord, our maker. For he is our God and we are his people, the flock he shepherds."
Apparently, I can't say this as it denies Mary's role. I am having difficulty finding any Mary Worship in Ordinary Time; I can't find it in Advent either. Damn, this doctrine of Mary as redeemer is hard to find; I am going to try the Common of the BVM, surely if my Religion worships Mary, the Common of the Blessed Virgin Mary will have Mary worship in it. Well for the Invitatory Antiphon, I have the option of 2 antiphons "Come let us worship Christ, the Son of Mary." and "Come let us sing to the Lord as we celebrate this feast of the BVM." Hmm, both of those point to the God. Hmm, lets try the first antiphon of Morning Prayer: "Blessed are you, O Mary, for the world's Salvation came forth from you; now in glory, you rejoice for ever with the Lord. Intercede for us with your Son." Damn, this isn't Catholic as this says Christ not Mary (unless Mary gave birth to herself and then she became male, was she circumcised?) is the World's Salvation.
These are from the Book of Christian Prayer, which you can buy here:
Amazon and is published by the Catholic Book Publishing Company. I am unaware of a free online version. If you are concerned that the Divine Office is not sufficiently scriptural, most of it is recitation of Scripture. If you would like an example in the Bible of highly ritualized prayer, in Acts 3, Peter and John go to the temple to Doven Shachris or Mincha, depending on what is meant by the ninth hour.
309 posted on
10/27/2013 10:33:59 PM PDT by
ronnietherocket3
(Mary is understood by the heart, not study of scripture.)
To: ronnietherocket3
A Catholic has to go thru Mary to get salvation...
I am unaware of what prominent Catholic teaches this.
Really...Is this prominent enough??? Your popes teach this...
Pope Leo XIII, Adjutricem populi, 5 September 1895: O Virgin most holy, none abounds in the knowledge of God except through thee. None, O Mother of God, obtains salvation except through thee. None receives a gift from the throne of mercy except through thee.
Mary is given authority over the Earth...She provides salvation, hope, love, healing and every thing else that is attributed to God...
She does? It appears that I am going wrong when I say (Night Office of the Liturgy of the Hours, every night) "Protect us, Lord, as we stay awake; watch over us as we sleep, that awake we may keep watch with Christ, and asleep, rest in his peace."
No you just haven't gotten to that part yet...Nah...I believe you are just playing ignorant...More popish stuff...
Pope Pius XII, Letter to Cardinal Maglione of 15 April 1940: Since as St. Bernard declares, "It is the will of God that we obtain all favors through Mary," let everyone hasten to have recourse to Mary...So powerful indeed is the Blessed Virgin with God and His only-Begotten Son that, as Dante writes, "anyone who desires His help and fails to have recourse to Mary is like one trying to fly without wings."
Perhaps I go wrong when I recite the Gospel Canticle: "Lord, now let your servant go in peace; your word has been fulfilled: my own eyes have seen the salvation which you prepared in the sight of every people:
You must be one of them Catholic Clerics...
Canticle
1. (Christianity / Ecclesiastical Terms) a nonmetrical hymn, derived from the Bible and used in the liturgy of certain Christian churches
Apparently, I can't say this as it denies Mary's role. I am having difficulty finding any Mary Worship in Ordinary Time; I can't find it in Advent either. Damn, this doctrine of Mary as redeemer is hard to find
Well that's odd isn't it...A non Catholic can find it all over the place...
Pope Pius XI, Address of 15 August 1933: God alone gives grace according to the measure which in His infinite wisdom He foresees. But although that grace comes from God, it is given through Mary, our Advocate and Mediatrix, since motherly affection on the one hand find response in childlike devotion on the other.
351 posted on
10/28/2013 9:37:58 AM PDT by
Iscool
To: ronnietherocket3; Iscool
Damn, this doctrine of Mary as redeemer is hard to find; I am going to try the Common of the BVM, surely if my Religion worships Mary, the Common of the Blessed Virgin Mary will have Mary worship in it. Not so hard to find. All you have to do is look in your very own Catechism of the Catholic church. They call her the Mediatrix. Jesus is the ONLY mediator between God and man. If she is called the Mediatrix, then someone is giving her the attributes of the redeemer.
From the Catechism of the Catholic church....
http://www.vatican.va/archive/catechism/p123a9p6.htm
969 This motherhood of Mary in the order of grace continues uninterruptedly from the consent which she loyally gave at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, until the eternal fulfillment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation .... Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix.510
Names of God from the Bible. Compare them to the names given to Mary in the above prayer.
Jesus
Hope (our) - 1 Timothy 1:1
Counselor - Isaiah 9:6
Advocate - 1 John 2:1
Mediator - 1 Timothy 2:5, Hebrews 9:15, Hebrews 12:24
Holy Spirit
Comforter - John 14:26
Helper John 14:16
This is worship of Mary if ever there was.....Attributing to her the attributes of God is idolatry.
363 posted on
10/28/2013 12:49:36 PM PDT by
metmom
( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of faith....)
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