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This is from page 266 of the Fall 2008 issue of the Journal of Mormon History.

Time for yet another occultic round of The OTHER World...Series...In other words...what have Mormon leaders proclaimed about "The OTHER World"?

Things like...
* Haunting manifestations @ Mormon temples
* Mormons & the Paranormal
* Mormonism's distinct lack of discernment of spirits
* "Familiar spirits"
* Demonic possessions & Mormons
* Joseph Smith & the occult
* Why is freemasonry, which Mormonism heavily borrowed from, tinged with occultic symbols and hidden practices?
* Joseph Smith, a medium?
* Mormons & Halloween
* October as a strange month for dark Mormon teachings in Lds history
* How Joseph Smith tended to unveil key new doctrines @ funeral messages

An example that merges these last two bullet points is an October 19, 1840 excerpt from a letter Joseph Smith wrote to the Quorum of the Twelve Mormon 'Apostles':

"I presume the doctrine of 'baptism for the dead has ere reached your ears, and may have raise some inquiries in your minds respecting the same...I first mentioned the doctrine in public when preaching the funeral sermon of Brother Seymour Bronson..." [Secondary source: Lds Doctrine & Covenants Student Manual, p. 307, English approval, 2000]

When consulting this Lds D&C Student Manual, ten pages later (p. 317) an October 1931 Conference Report citation of one of the top three Lds hierarchists of the time (Rudger Clawson) claimed that "Baptism for the dead is THE MOST GLORIOUS OF ALL SUBJECTS BELONGING TO THE EVERLASTING GOSPEL.'"

Questions:
* Now why -- if this was THE MOST GLORIOUS OF ALL THE SUBJECTS of the Bible -- is it not contained in the Book of Mormon?
* Doesn't the D&C repeatedly reference the Book of Mormon as "the fulness of the everlasting Gospel?"
* What's a "gospel" that isn't "full"?
* What's a "gospel" that's missing its supposed "most glorious" part?
* Note: Even the single reference to baptism of the dead in the Bible (1 Cor. 15:29) is earmarked by the phrase, "what shall THEY do which are baptized for the dead...?" [the apostle Paul doesn't say "we" are baptized for the dead...rather, he points to an unknown "they" sect practicing it...

1 posted on 10/23/2013 5:46:54 AM PDT by Colofornian
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Back to the excerpt focus of this particular thread: Who is the "President Woodruff" referenced in this excerpt?

He is Wilford Woodruff, who is the Mormon "prophet" who provided the manifesto that began altering Mormonism's incursion into widespread polygamy in 1890.

In the 1870s, Woodruff claims he was in the St. George, Utah Mormon temple when "spirits" visited him on more than one night...For quotes & references & links on this, see #4 at 15 occultic and controversial facts you may want to know about Lds temples [Vanity]

'The eyes of the dead are upon us'

This Woodruff quote at a temple dedication (Manti, Utah) from 1893 shows a long-standing Mormon teaching:
That the dead are in close proximity to the Mormon living; hence, "spirit manifestations" have been quite welcomed by Mormon leadership in both the recent past and distant past.

2 posted on 10/23/2013 5:47:16 AM PDT by Colofornian
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Haunting manifestations @ Mormon temples

Now there's a topic that I'd like to know more about.

3 posted on 10/23/2013 5:59:36 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Just a common, ordinary, simple savior of America's destiny.)
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For a similar discussion, plus an expanded topic of how Mitt Romney's Mormon "apostle" ancestor sermonized how Joseph Smith was a "medium" who communicated with the OTHER World, see this other thread also put up this morning:
Teachings Concerning The Spirit World [Lds: 'unseen...visitors'...from 'world beyond' close]
5 posted on 10/23/2013 6:27:27 AM PDT by Colofornian
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Take one verse of the Bible out of context, wordsmith it, add additional “revelation” through the D&C claiming that the dead get a mulligan.

Next, play on the pride, emotions or possible guilt ridden conscience of family members who may be regretting treatment of a now dead family member. “You can save them from damnation!”

Then, start building pagan structures to encourage member participation in pagan ceremonies to supposedly “redeem” those who, according to the Bible, have already had their “chance”.

Oh, but the bonus is you get to tell the members that Pastors of other faiths are representatives of Lucifer while making the members take blood oaths, swearing to never reveal the “sacred” (but not secret!) ceremonies upon pain of death.

Finally, in direct defiance of the Bible, tell the members that they must spend countless hours toiling through their genealogy so that they can “baptize” their entire family line instead of doing what the Bible says.

Feh...count me out...oh, wait, I am out.


6 posted on 10/23/2013 7:12:00 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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Mystery temples, hum
So the whole part about Jesus’ crucifixion and the torn temple curtain from the top to bottom, didn’t mean anything.
How does mormonism not get “no more secrets”, “no more hiding”


9 posted on 10/23/2013 8:17:18 AM PDT by svcw (Not 'hope and change' but 'dopes in chains' obama's America)
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The Daily Obsessional


12 posted on 10/23/2013 9:08:02 AM PDT by truth_seeker
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