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To: Sioux-san
Roman Catholics ... on the other hand have a moving target of salvation, which produces many troubled souls as well.

I've actually heard that in order for a Catholic to go directly to heaven they have to be declared a "Saint" by the church. All other Catholics have to go through purgatory and are not sure; a works based Salvation for sure.

Whereas for the Protestant is is exactly the other way. Faith is a gift from God which one professes through confession before the church. Good works follow so the Lords words are confirmed "You shall know them by their fruits" but do not earn their salvation (which already has been done on the cross by the Lord who has given them faith).

For the Protestant, assurance of Salvation is based on their faith. For the Catholic, from what I understand, there is no assurance unless pronounced a saint which is very rare by the church.

71 posted on 10/13/2013 3:38:14 PM PDT by sr4402
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To: sr4402
Amen. We are DECLARED Saints by GOD, not men: Catholics do ignore the 'saint' declaration inside the Word of Truth:

Romans 1:7: To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Romans 8:27: And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

Romans 12:13: Distributing to the necessity of saints; given to hospitality.

Romans 15:25: But now I go unto Jerusalem to minister unto the saints.

Romans 15:26: For it hath pleased them of Macedonia and Achaia to make a certain contribution for the poor saints which are at Jerusalem.

Romans 15:31: That I may be delivered from them that do not believe in Judaea; and that my service which I have for Jerusalem may be accepted of the saints;

Romans 16:2: That ye receive her in the Lord, as becometh saints, and that ye assist her in whatsoever business she hath need of you: for she hath been a succourer of many, and of myself also.

Romans 16:15: Salute Philologus, and Julia, Nereus, and his sister, and Olympas, and all the saints which are with them.

I Corinthians 1:2: Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

I Corinthians 6:1: Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?

I Corinthians 6:2: Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

I Corinthians 14:33: For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

I Corinthians 16:1: Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.

I Corinthians 16:15: I beseech you, brethren, (ye know the house of Stephanas, that it is the firstfruits of Achaia, and that they have addicted themselves to the ministry of the saints,)

II Corinthians 1:1: Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, unto the church of God which is at Corinth, with all the saints which are in all Achaia:

II Corinthians 8:4: Praying us with much intreaty that we would receive the gift, and take upon us the fellowship of the ministering to the saints.

II Corinthians 9:1: For as touching the ministering to the saints, it is superfluous for me to write to you:

II Corinthians 9:12: For the administration of this service not only supplieth the want of the saints, but is abundant also by many thanksgivings unto God;

II Corinthians 13:13: All the saints salute you.

Ephesians 1:1: Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:

Ephesians 1:15: Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints,

Ephesians 1:18: The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

Ephesians 2:19: Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

Ephesians 3:8: Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;

Ephesians 3:18: May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;

Ephesians 4:12: For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

Ephesians 5:3: But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;

Ephesians 6:18: Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

Philippians 1:1: Paul and Timotheus, the servants of Jesus Christ, to all the saints in Christ Jesus which are at Philippi, with the bishops and deacons:

Philippians 4:22: All the saints salute you, chiefly they that are of Caesar's household.

Colossians 1:2: To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Colossians 1:4: Since we heard of your faith in Christ Jesus, and of the love which ye have to all the saints,

Colossians 1:12: Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

Colossians 1:26: Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:

I Thessalonians 3:13: To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.

II Thessalonians 1:10: When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

I Timothy 5:10: Well reported of for good works; if she have brought up children, if she have lodged strangers, if she have washed the saints' feet, if she have relieved the afflicted, if she have diligently followed every good work.

Philemon 1:5: Hearing of thy love and faith, which thou hast toward the Lord Jesus, and toward all saints;

Philemon 1:7: For we have great joy and consolation in thy love, because the bowels of the saints are refreshed by thee, brother.

86 posted on 10/13/2013 6:40:24 PM PDT by AmbassadorForChrist
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To: sr4402
I've actually heard that in order for a Catholic to go directly to heaven they have to be declared a "Saint" by the church.

Not true.

All other Catholics have to go through purgatory and are not sure; a works based Salvation for sure.

Also not true. Purgatory is a purifying process, entirely a gift from God. If it were not for Purgatory, few souls would reach Heaven, as everything must be made perfect before entering Heaven (Revelation 21:27).
89 posted on 10/13/2013 7:03:50 PM PDT by matthewrobertolson
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To: sr4402

>> a works based Salvation for sure.

Unfortunately, AMEN. Catholicsm, like Islam and Hinduism, is a “works-based” belief systems.

True Christianity is NOT!!! a “works-based” belief system.

It involves saving GRACE; we are bought and paid for COMPLETELY by the blood of JESUS, the CHRIST.

Scripture is quite clear on this.


101 posted on 10/13/2013 8:44:15 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: sr4402

I’ve actually heard that in order for a Catholic to go directly to heaven they have to be declared a “Saint” by the church. All other Catholics have to go through purgatory and are not sure; a works based Salvation for sure.

You’ve actually heard? Hopefully no fully informed Catholic said that to you since it is untrue.


115 posted on 10/14/2013 6:38:58 AM PDT by Not gonna take it anymore (If Obama were twice as smart as he is, he would be a wit)
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To: sr4402
I've actually heard that in order for a Catholic to go directly to heaven they have to be declared a "Saint" by the church. All other Catholics have to go through purgatory and are not sure; a works based Salvation for sure.

It depends on the Catholic you're talking to.

It IS a works based salvation. They tip their hand when you see their response at the thought of salvation by faith alone.

203 posted on 10/17/2013 4:16:15 AM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of faith....)
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