Posted on 10/09/2013 11:14:38 AM PDT by Colofornian
LOL...you mean just like the Catholics.
Seems Mormons and Catholics have tons of stuff in common and none of it true Christianity.
Oh, they’ll tell you if they think you are wrong, katana. And everyone who is against them is wrong.
Can’t be bashing Christians cause Mormons are not Christian.
This is a gross oversimplification, but the Orthodox are pretty much regarded as schismatic but not necessarily heretical members of the Church, Protestants as validly baptized but heretical members of the Church, and Mormons as not even members of the Church.
As far as Catholic sacramental theology is concerned, since Mormon baptism is invalid, its recipients are not really in any better position than pagans, notwithstanding its Christian roots.
If Catholics defend Mormonism it's probably just an accident of both being minorities in a mostly Protestant country. But in the big picture we have much less in common with them than with Protestants. Father de Smet compared them to Muslims, and not favorably:
Not really. A Baptism with water in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit is valid. Catholics may only validly receive the sacrament of Holy Communion in Churches where there is a belief in transubstantiation. The only non-Catholic Churches that I'm aware of that hold this belief are the Eastern Orthodox Churches, and probably the Coptics. However, we must be invited to receive there as it is my understanding that some Orthodox Churches object to Catholics receiving.
“Yet another Christian-bashing thread.
Aren’t you liberals supposed to be spitting on soldiers today?”
lol, you will quickly find that, aside from maybe your Mormon buddies or a few of the apostates on this forum, no Christian conservative considers the LDS with its polygamous gods to be “Christian,” but the very essence of the absurdities that the devil drives men into.
“The LDS might teach that, but every time I have seen the whore of Babylon/goddess worshipping idolaters/he who is not to be named on the religion forum drek/Catholic Church is a nonChristian cult garbage about the Catholic Church on FR, it has come from other sorts of Christians, not LDS.”
Usually this starts because Catholics pick fights on FR and then lose them, and then they troll perfectly good threads where we can face down what is clearly damning error, and they insert stuff like “you guys are just like Mormons anyway.” Don’t be surprised if Catholics who do this get responses in kind for their arrogance.
LOL...you mean just like the Catholics. Seems Mormons and Catholics have tons of stuff in common and none of it true Christianity. [jodyel, post #41]
If you go back to my post #6, there's at least one point there that not only Mormons need to listen to, but fellow Protestants as well:
Martin Luther NEVER saw himself as beginning a "new church" from scratch. The REFORMERS saw themselves as REFORMERS only!
Hence note the quote in the article of this thread: ecclesia semper reformans, semper reformanda - "the church is always reformed and always reforming."
I then said in post #6: Has the historic Christian church always been in need of ongoing reformation? Of course!
I added other comments there...one being that: "Mormonism makes a mockery of the apostle Paul as an apostle, had a complete apostasy already occurred."
Yes, the 16th century (& before) Catholic church was badly in need of reformation; but be careful --lest you wind up calling the apostle Paul a "false prophet" for his declaration in Ephesians 3:21!
Per the prophetic declaration of Eph. 3:21, God in fact DID receive glory -- even if limited in many ways -- from those within the Catholic church prior to the Reformation.
I know. The Catholics are really asking for it. Just look at all the Catholic provocations to non-Catholic Christians on this thread, it’s a wonder we haven’t seen even more righteous and justified proclamations from non-Catholic Christians about the Catholic Church being a nonChristian cult than we have already.
Freegards
I figure that Paul was talking about the catholic church, and the current organization is the Catholic church. One is the universal community of believers, and the second is the commercial brand of one small part of that community.
Don't you be lustin' after MY position!
You OUGHTA be a target!
--MormonDude(still mad about the election...)
And, he probably believed that Mary is DEAD!
Another low information person who can't tell a HERETIC from a CHRISTIAN.
Speaking of revelation...
Their very own Living Prophet #2 has said:
"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;
and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,
and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.
Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)
What do you WANT to be called?
They succeeded in killing Joseph, but he had finished his work.He was a servant of God, and gave us the Book of Mormon.He said the Bible was right in the main, but, through the translators and others, many precious portions were suppressed, and several other portions were wrongly translated; and now his testimony is in force, for he has sealed it with his blood.As I have frequently told them, no man in this dispensation will enter the courts of heaven, without the approbation of the Prophet Joseph Smith, Jun.Who has made this so?Have I?Have this people?Have the world?No; but the Lord Jehovah has decreed it.If I ever pass into the heavenly courts, it will be by the consent of the Prophet Joseph.If you ever pass through the gates into the Holy City, you will do so upon his certificate that you are worthy to pass.Can you pass without his inspection?No; neither can any person in this dispensation, which is the dispensation of the fulness of times.In this generation, and in all the generations that are to come, everyone will have to undergo the scrutiny of this Prophet.They say that they killed Joseph, and they will yet come with their hats under their arms and bend to him; but what good will it do them, unless they repent?They can come in a certain way and find favor, but will they?
--JOURNAL OF DISCOURSES, vol. 8, p. 224
Read the "First Vision" account of Joseph Smith in the Pearl of Great Price...
(a) See if you can find EVEN ONCE where the entity that appeared to Smith is DIRECTLY referenced as God or as Jesus.
(Yes, there is a reference to one entity being the "son" of the other...but other than that they are unnamed)
(b) Concentrate especially upon verses 18-20...and then ask yourself:
* Do I believe that 100% of the Christian creeds are an "abomination" to God? [If you're not sure on this...read "The Apostles Creed" -- and then ask yourself what is so "abominable" about that???]
Now read ... and re-read Ephesians 3:20-21 from your own Bible.
Now ask yourself:
* Do I believe God has received glory in the so-called pre-restored churches -- in EVERY generation???
* And: If I believe God received such glory, then why was a total restoration from scratch even needed?
If The Apostles Creed is not an "abomination" -- then the unnamed entity who told Smith it was was wrong. And if God has received glory in ALL generations IN THE CHURCH (Eph. 3:21), then the claims of total apostasy made by Mormon leaders are wrong. And they -- NOT the apostle Paul -- are the false prophets here.
What's it going to be?
Same with Mormonism.
Elz -- and others: Scan this thread's article re: what Mormons say they believe about Protestant/Catholic/Orthodox church members...and then ask:
(No wonder Romney failed to inspire many Christians to vote for him! Romney, indirectly via his mega-$ support of the Mormon church, was attacking Christians to a high degree like Obama's been!)
LOL
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