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To: ebb tide

So there is salvation outside the Roman Catholic Church.


8 posted on 10/04/2013 4:38:35 PM PDT by donmeaker (The lessons of Weimar are soon to be relearned.)
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To: donmeaker

Nope.


9 posted on 10/04/2013 4:45:38 PM PDT by ebb tide
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From the Papist point of view, it is wholly logical to say that there is no salvation outside of the RCC, since they only have the “true” faith and proper doctrine, which Paul declares that anyone who teaches otherwise is ‘accursed.’

Of course, their position cannot stand up to the scripture, since they are, as you say, quite Pelagian, as they depend on their works to merit a conditional salvation. Not only that, but not even all of the ancients shared their views, especially on salvation. Even those who did not take Augustine’s position, at the very least gave it all to faith and not to works; however, there is no salvation outside of CHRISTIANITY, neither for those who are born where the Gospel is not preached, nor for those born outside of God’s covenant people in Old Testament times, since all are declared by Paul to be “without excuse,” “under sin,” and, since they are not born randomly, but rather God willed that they should be born and never hear the Gospel, it is part of His divine right to “show mercy on whom I will show mercy, and harden whom I will harden”.

Therefore we affirm that salvation is through Christ only, and not accessible by any one who does not believe. That said, Catholics can also be saved, but only when they are apostates to their own religion and accidentally, or, rather, by the grace of God, despair of themselves and trust in Christ only and not their obedience or submission to sacraments.


25 posted on 10/04/2013 6:11:38 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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