Posted on 10/04/2013 2:37:31 PM PDT by ebb tide
Who gets to decide when the church has made a "mistake"?
Quite eerie, ain’t it??!!
No that is not what I am saying at all. Rather than make you angry I am taking a step back.
Yeah, you "say" a lot of stuff that's not true.
Sounds like some of them need a “come to Jesus” moment!
What has a pope said that could be independently verified later, that was not known at that time?
Say a specific digit of Pi that was not known at that time, but could be checked as greater knowlege was gained?
Most of what the Pope says is merely meaningless, except for that which is false.
Pi has nothing to do with faith and morals.
Next stupid question?
Pi that is in error is immoral. Having faith in a value of Pi that has errors too large for the task is immoral.
Asserting infallability falsely is immoral.
God has, as the Lord taught believers to ask God directly for forgiveness, (Mt. 6:12), and as 1 Jn. 1:9 promises, and nowhere do we see believers going to the apostles or pastors regularly going to confession in order to obtain forgiveness. Instead, even Simon was told to repent and pray to God for forgiveness.
"Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee." (Acts 8:22)
"If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." (1 John 1:9)
However, "who has forgiven your sins?" is a good question for you, since the ones present when the Lord spoke this were not only the apostles but included other disciples. (Lk., 24:13ff) and excluded Thomas. (Jn. 20:24) Likewise binding and loosing is not restricted to clergy, though its primary application befits that office.
And as Scripture interprets Scripture we see that this primarily refers to church discipline, such as when Paul in conjunction with the whole church, not independent of it, binds an impenitent gross sinner over to the devil for remedial chastisement. (1Cor. 5:4,5)
Similarly, God can act in response to the intercession of others to remove chastisement for sin, as in Lk. 5:18-24 and James 5:14-17. But in both we see the intersession extends to other believers besides clergy. "Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much." (James 5:16).
And while Rome invokes this for support of her clerical powers, yet in Scripture this calling of the elder for the sickwas was a precursor healing, yet in Romanism it is a normally precursor of death.
We Catholics are so fortunate to have the Sacrament of Confession available to us.
However, "we Catholics" refers to a church in schism, most of which are following a false pope,who do not confess they are, the majority of which are liberal and are counted as members in life and in death. And in contrast to us, from whom TRCs (traditional RC) cannot separate from except by being in schism. That alone is reason to avoid Rome, besides her deadness and falsities.
This is without a doubt one of the stupid things I have ever read.
May you drive over a bridge, depending on the morals and calulations of the engineer who built the bridge.
Between us is a great chasm fixed.
What??
You say that on YOUR side it’s called Purgatory?
On my side it is just fine.
Don’t know with what you have to deal.
Agreed! But not atypical from this bloke.
Now you can judge when I am "angry"? I guess any excuse will work for avoiding answering my question (for the third time). This will be the last time on this thread since I don't want to be accuse of hounding someone who won't answer a question. But it is certainly curious WHY they won't. Once again:
Tell me, when posters here say things like "Vatican II is just a pastoral council" and not binding upon all Catholics, who gets to decide that it should be ignored? How are Catholics, who have a take it or leave it attitude on things that come out of a "Dogmatic Constitution of the Church", any different that the Non-Catholic Christians here that are condemned if they determine to believe only those doctrines that can be proved by Holy Scripture? It hasn't escaped my notice that the one who posted this thread is getting little criticism from fellow Catholics. Why is that?
I'd say your threshold for calling something an "attack" is set WAY too low.
Pi has nothing to do with faith and morals. Next stupid question?
I'd say that was nowhere near suggesting some need a "come to Jesus moment".
So true!
NONE of us really know the life experiences of those we are attempting to communicate with on FR.
So many times these threads descend into a modern day version of the blind men inspecting an elephant.
It's a Catholic thang. You wouldn't unnerstan.
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