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To: roamer_1; CynicalBear; WVKayaker
Then I have to ask you: why make Israel different (the Circumcision) from the Gentiles (the Uncircumcision). There is more here than you are willing to see.

Rom. 1 demonstrates the Gentile's alienation from God was their own doing. Their history of rebellion, evil thinking and self-will is what God declares in Rom. 1. "Wherefore God gave them up"(v.24); "For this cause God gave them up"(v.26); and "God gave them over"(v.28).

Israel had a clear advantage while the Gentiles were at a clear disadvantage. Read Rom. 9:4,5 and compare that to Eph. 2:11,12 and see:

Israel's Advantage: "Who are the Israelites"; "The adoption"; "To whom Christ came"; "Whose are the fathers"; "Covenants and the Law"; "The service of God"; "The promises", all of these were Israel's advantages under the Abrahamic Covenant, the "Covenant of Circumcision" (Acts 7:8).

The Gentile Disadvantage: "Gentiles"; "Uncircumcised", "Without Christ", "Aliens from Israel"; "Strangers from the covenants"; "Without God"; "Having no hope". All of these were Gentile's state before God. And this is true throughout the OT, Matt. Mark Luke John and the beginning of Acts, up until that middle wall of partition that was separating us was taken down, by God.

But God didn't stop with "circumcision" as the only part of the Abrahamic Covenant. He then added the Law. It was given to the nation Israel ALONE, and was added (Gal. 3:19) to the Covenant of Circumcision. It STRENGTHENED and FORTIFIED the middle wall of partition. HE WANTED that wall to be up, separating Jews from Gentiles.

795 posted on 10/16/2013 3:40:30 PM PDT by smvoice (HELP! I'm trapped inside this body and I can't get out!)
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To: smvoice; roamer_1; CynicalBear; WVKayaker
>> “The Gentile Disadvantage: “Gentiles”; “Uncircumcised”, “Without Christ”, “Aliens from Israel”; “Strangers from the covenants”; “Without God”; “Having no hope”. All of these were Gentile's state before God. And this is true throughout the OT, Matt. Mark Luke John and the beginning of Acts, up until that middle wall of partition that was separating us was taken down, by God.” <<

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Not so!

Isa.56

[1] Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.
[2] Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.
[3] Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.
[4] For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;
[5] Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.
[6] Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;
[7] Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people
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[8] The Lord GOD which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him.
Without hope?

No!

807 posted on 10/16/2013 4:22:42 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: smvoice; CynicalBear; WVKayaker
Then I have to ask you: why make Israel different (the Circumcision) from the Gentiles (the Uncircumcision).

Why make the Christian believer different from the unbeliever?

Israel had a clear advantage while the Gentiles were at a clear disadvantage.

But not all who are called Israel ARE Israel - Within the microcosm of the nation of Israel is the picture of believers and unbelievers. The circumcision is of no avail. A sinning unbelieving Israelite has no more advantage than an unbelieving gentile.

The Gentile Disadvantage: "Gentiles"; "Uncircumcised", "Without Christ", "Aliens from Israel"; "Strangers from the covenants"; "Without God"; "Having no hope". All of these were Gentile's state before God.

Yet there are examples of believing gentiles within Israel, living among them as brethren... Adopted.

And please DO try to find your 'middle wall' in the Torah. There is no such instruction, beyond the defensive perimeter of the Tabernacle. It is a tradition of men, present in Herod's temple, where the Ark never resided. Folks like to talk about the curtain being torn as signifying access to all to the Holy of Holies - But it also exposed the lie. Part of that lie is the wall of partition.

Here is a Messianic Jewish point of view on the 'wall of partition'.

One must be careful to understand the difference between Torah and Talmudism... Very hard for Christians to do.

819 posted on 10/16/2013 5:14:30 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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