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To: roamer_1

Bravo! Well done.

What about tying in a reference to Ezekiel 37:15-28 when you have an opportunity. :)


351 posted on 10/08/2013 4:42:50 PM PDT by Errant
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To: Errant
Bravo! Well done.

Thanks.

What about tying in a reference to Ezekiel 37:15-28 when you have an opportunity. :)

Trying to speculate about Ezekiel 37/38 is like trying to herd cats - since, IMHO, most of it has not occurred yet, so I will try to limit myself to broad strokes - but we are definitely on the cusp of these things becoming real. I DO believe Ez 37's 'Valley of Dry Bones' has been accomplished, culminating in the establishment of Israel in 1948. That establishment is the ensign, the standard, the battle flag raised upon YHWH's ground.

I think differently than most do here. I see a different thing. I think the 'end days' began 2k years ago, as declared by both Paul and John. I think the 'death of the testator' in Hebrews is misread by Christians, in that while they see the Messiah's death as the release of His inheritance before the fact to His believers who will come, few stop to speculate on the bare fact that the promises of YHWH, the inheritance of Israel's patriarchal line ALSO required the death of the testator in order for that inheritance to be released. We should be able to see the things promised by inheritance to Isaac, Jacob, and the tribes beginning to take place after the death of Messiah, as the guarantor of Abraham.

I see the four horsemen as being four governmental paradigms beginning to form shortly thereafter. I think the white horseman with the bow signifies Ephraim. Significantly, he is given a crown (the only legitimate one), and rides off to conquer. The fog of war is a messy business, but two things are forwarded - With conquering, the patriarchal line establishes... lands, kingdoms, peoples. With loss, the matriarchal line establishes by infecting the enemy - his daughters are hauled off, impregnated, sold, etc... Remember that the Hebrews factor inheritance by the father, but nationality by the mother.

Both are required, in my mind - the first sets up the tribes as entities - necessary to prophecy, as all of the tribes are mentioned as separate and individual entities in end time battles, and each is given promises which need to be executed within the end times scope. The second continues the blending of the House of Israel into the gentiles on a very global scale.

Ez37 15+ ultimately speaks of (the House of) Judah and Ephraim (the House of Israel) being united with Messiah as their king. That is already beginning to be fulfilled spiritually as both Jews and Christians are starting to find common ground in Messianic Judaism and Christian Hebrew Roots type movements... As Judah rejects Talmudism for Messiah and Torah, and Ephraim rejects Romanism for Messiah and Torah, both are beginning to realize they are brothers. In that is to be found the true ecumenicism and unity that Romanism has been attempting to imitate for centuries...

But I think the nationalistic/physical realization of that is still to come, and it is going to be a very bumpy and painful ride. Something very big and very terrible rises even now, and that will be met by YHWH with something very definite and declaratory, opening the eyes of many. I think that event will change everything, and how it settles out is going to determine what we can see beyond..

I expect that to be the War of Magog, but I can't do more than speculate.

369 posted on 10/09/2013 10:29:01 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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