Posted on 10/04/2013 2:11:50 PM PDT by jodyel
Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.
Perhaps you have missed the point that these Pre-Tribbers think that OT prophecy is not for us.
That is likely why they do not understand a single sentence of it. If you think something is not for your benefie, it is hard to focus your mind on it.
CB even asked me to post the scripture declaring Yehova’s feasts.
Every point you try to make, you must begin at the absolute foundational level, and even then you will draw a blank.
Didn’t have to read any mind, he wrote all that I stated in previous posts.
I have no ire towards them - These are my good FRiends, and not so long ago, I thought like they do. Shoot, I still DO think a lot like they do - Steel sharpens steel..
Every point you try to make, you must begin at the absolute foundational level, and even then you will draw a blank.
That is why I am focusing upon the barren woman (I bet you know who she is) - This is exactly the verse that finally proved to me that I was down the rabbit hole, and taught me to seek out the whole Word of YHWH.
Shalom. The Truth IS out there :P
Who do you believe she is? :)
Aw, I don't want to say just yet...I want our FRiends to chew on it for themselves...
She can only be one.
Awesome chapters. Especially 53 for Jewish believers.
Thanks,
Before I'm ready to discuss Isaiah, Chapter 50, this must be said: 1 Peter 1:10,11."Of which salvation the prophets have INQUIRED AND SEARCHED DILIGENTLY, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: SEARCHING WHAT, or what MANNER OF TIME, THE SPIRIT OF CHRIST WHICH WAS IN THEM DID SIGNIFY, when it testified beforehand the suffering of Christ, and the glory that should follow."
They did not search merely concerning the "manner of time", the character of the times, during which these things should transpire. They searched and inquired diligently to discover "WHAT...the Spirit...did signify,", what HE MEANT, "when He testified beforehand the suffering of Christ and the glory that should follow." And the next verse goes on to explain that GOd revealed to them that they were ministering, not to themselves, but to THOSE OF A FUTURE TIME.
So we know that the OT prophets wrote, without understanding exactly who or when, to a future generation of people about future events.
So it is with Isaiah 50. It was Judah that God said He would divorce. Because of the people selling themselves to commit sin (v1), the Babylonian captivity of the kingdom). He says that Judah is hopeless to try to be redeemed by man. He makes it clear that only He and He alone could redeem, and confirming it with what He had done by His power in the past (v2-3)
All of this prophecy is future when Isaiah wrote it. The divorce between God and Judah took place over 100 years in the future, when the Babylonians took captive the kingdom.
The wrath begins with the first seal in Chapter 6. There isn’t space enough here to go into but here is a site that begins to explain for those who are interested.
The first three chapters are dealing with the church age but chapter 4 begins with “hereafter”. It’s after the church aged because the “fullness of the Gentiles” has come and the church was taken from the earth. It’s after that we see a shift and the attention is in heaven and what is going to happen to the earth and those on it.
http://www.jesusisthecomingking.com/2011/03/when-does-gods-wrath-start.html
>> The book of Revelation is not chronological -<<
I disagree with that statement. Again, because of space I will simply list one site that helps explain.
http://prophecy.landmarkbiblebaptist.net/rev-chronology.html
>> “So we know that the OT prophets wrote, without understanding exactly who or when, to a future generation of people about future events.” <<
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Is that not always the case?
Samuel wasn’t even aware that Yehova was talking to him, he thought that the voice was coming from another room.
Prophet is not an easy assignment. Yet Paul said that was the job to apply for above all.
>> “The wrath begins with the first seal in Chapter 6.” <<
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Then we have been living in the ‘wrath’ for over a thousand years.
Yeah, that’s why we very seldom see any scripture to substantiate or prove where his beliefs come from in scripture. It’s always a diatribe of what he believes with very, very little scriptural support.
Yep, The things he saw, the things which are ie the church age through chapter 3, and the things which are “hereafter” ie after the church aged.
LOL Prophesy concerning Israel is not for the Gentile church.
Only in the minds of those who don’t know prophecy.
You're the one famous for saying, "There isn’t space enough here to go into but here is a site that begins to explain for those who are interested." lol
I doubt the one time I have used that constitutes “famous for”. The sites I listed include much scripture to substantiate what they are saying. I have asked for some indication that can substantiate scripture sources for the beliefs expressed to even include web sites that do so to only be ridiculed.
That probably explains your confusion then. The book of Revelation contains several sections that provide details interspersed within telling of the revelation of Yeshua.
I'll try to write more pertaining to our discussion of when the wrath of the Almighty begins later. No time now... ;)
I’ll look forward to it. I’m not feeling well today so may or may not be here much.
Yes, it is ALWAYS the case. And obviously you know that. But there are others who may be following our discussion that do not know it. That’s why I always try to include Scripture, Chapter and verse when answering a post. :)
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