Posted on 10/04/2013 2:11:50 PM PDT by jodyel
[10] Speak unto the children of Israel,
[24] Speak unto the children of Israel
[34] Speak unto the children of Israel
[42] Ye shall dwell in booths seven days; all that are Israelites born shall dwell in booths:>p> [43] That your generations may know that I made the children of Israel to dwell in booths,
44 And Moses declared unto the children of Israel the feasts of the LORD.
We are Gentiles and in the church age.
Acts 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; 29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
That’s EXACTLY right, CB. Now WHO is rejecting the words of the Lord? I’m at peace. Are you?
Please enough insulting Yehova’s word!
1 Thess 4:16 is at the last trump, as Paul and Yeshua state so many times. After the tribulation of those days!
So much for teaching spiritual kindergarten, class dismissed, see you in the morning.
That ends our conversation editor. I think all who read these posts know what spirit that type of comment comes from. Have a good evening.
Then why did Yeshua and all of his apostles observe all of the feasts, and counsel others to do so?
Of course Moses spoke to Israel, is this a feeble form of humor?
Finish the passage in Acts, ok, where it says that they will learn the rest on each sabbath, hearing Torah read.
Why do you always trim your posting of scripture to hide the real meaning?
YES, I am completely at peace knowing God’s promises.
It comes from a spirit that is weary from all of the “pre-trib” deception, and twisting of the scriptures back on themselves.
The REAL question is: Why did Paul counsel against it? I've already given you the Scripture on that, so I won't repeat it. He was also an apostle. Saved and given his commission by direct revelations from the risen Christ. Until you can answer that question with any kind of coherency using Scripture, I would say you have no idea, really, and are just grasping at straws now. Good luck with that, and post to me again if you are interested in rightly dividing God's word of truth. It will untangle you from the pretzel position you're in.
Please read Romans!
We are now grafted in to the Hebrew root of the tree.
Yeshua’s flock is one.
Paul did not counsel against it! - That is a falsehood that needs to be rightly divided and discarded with the rest of the detritus. Do not attempt to divide Yeshua’s flock.
When Christ saved Paul and sent him forth with the gospel of the grace of God, and reconciliation through the finished work of Christ, He did that, not BECAUSE Israel had believed, but DESPITE the fact that Israel had NOT believed.
This means that we, the Body of Christ, are NOW God's agent for the continued execution of the plan of God (Eph. 3:1-11). We have taken Israel's place for now. But ONLY until the fullness of the Gentiles has been brought in (ROm. 11:25)...until the body of Christ is complete.
Yes, we are now grafted into the Hebrew root of the tree. As God's "people". As the ones doing God's work, as the ones who have been kept secret since the world began, as the ones who are spreading His good news about grace. All things Israel SHOULD have been doing, but did not, as they rejected Messiah. Once again, we are NOT Israel. Never have been, never will be. We are God's ELECT AGENCY during this time of the grace of God. Just like Israel USED to be, and WILL be again, after we are removed. Get it?
editor,
What background are you coming from that you hold to things meant for Israel and use Yeshua and Yehova?
No other believers here, that I am aware of, do this.
So do you have a Jewish background or what? Might go a long way in explaining how and why you interpret Scripture as you do.
I come from an evangelical background so hold to the dispensational view that sees the Church and Israel as two very separate and distinct groups.
jodyel
http://www.grantjeffrey.com/article/why_some_reject.htm
Excerpt:
The second and more important reason why some are teaching that the Church will be present during this terrible time is the failure to distinguish between God’s plan for Israel and His plan for the Church, especially in the prophecy revealed by Christ in Matthew 24. They often acknowledge that there is strong biblical evidence for a pretribulation Rapture; however, they inevitably come back to their interpretation of Matthew 24, which seems to indicate that the Rapture follows the events of the Great Tribulation.
In the passage in Matthew 24, Christ is on the Temple Mount explaining to His Jewish disciples the events that will occur in Israel and in other nations that will lead to the return of Christ as their Jewish Messiah. The disciples’ question that Jesus was answering concerned the coming of Israel’s long-promised Kingdom, not the coming of Christ for His Church (which they did not even know about). It is easy to forget that, at this point, before the crucifixion of our Lord and the coming of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost, there was no such thing as a Christian Church. If you had told one of the disciples during the week before Christ’s crucifixion that someday there would be an organization based on Christ’s teachings, called the Church, and that 99 percent of its members would be uncircumcised Gentiles who would follow neither Jewish law nor offer Temple sacrifices, he would probably have fallen off his chair in shock and disbelief. One of the classic mistakes in interpretation is to take this conversation between Christ and His Jewish disciples concerning the messianic kingdom and read back into it the reality of the Christian Church which did not come into existence until the Jews rejected Christ and God breathed life into His Body of believers.
Since Christ does not mention the Church to His disciples in this conversation, the plain interpretation is that Israel is the primary focus of the Prophecy of Matthew 24. Matthew 24 speaks of the Great Tribulation, and beginning at verse 15, Christ states that the Antichrist will set up the “abomination of desolation” (a supernatural statue of the Antichrist) to be worshiped in the Temple. In verses 40 and 41, Jesus says, “Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.” A vital question for students of the Bible is the identity of these people who “shall be taken.” Does this prophecy refer to the Church or does it reveal God’s plans for the Tribulation saint who become believers after the Rapture?
Do you not realize that most of the so-called gentile church are actually the Hebrew diaspora?
What you post is a sophistry, as it ignores the visible evidence. For example there are two strains of surnames in scandinavia, the Slavic root names, and Hebrew names with ‘son’ appended.
Similar situations exist in many other countries.
Only Yehova can fully discern his remnant.
>> “The second and more important reason why some are teaching that the Church will be present during this terrible time is the failure to distinguish between God’s plan for Israel and His plan for the Church” <<
That is more false teaching that needs to be ‘rightly divided’ to the trash heap. The scriptures demolish that nonsense everywhere you look.
Yeshua has one flock that he is pulling together into one sheepfold.
Excuse my sophistry, but...DUH. I already told you God has a roster, not me. I don’t know what you want from me. You seem to be arguing things we’ve already gone over. As if it’s a re-run or something. Give me something new and I’ll be glad to sort it out with you. I’m talking about Scripturally speaking, of course.
We are just not on the same wavelength, editor, and I don’t see what you do.
But, nevertheless, it is not a doctrine that makes or breaks salvation so we can disagree on it and still be okay.
So when was the 490 years prophesied by Daniel for Israel finished?
And until people understand what His plan is as given to us in prophesy they will always believe in error.
Re read, Paul was sent to all, but was “mighty unto the gentiles.”
That was then and this is now. Paul is dead and the Hebrew diaspora is mostly contained in what are called gentile peoples.
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