1Th_5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
Act_17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
I knew it would be prudent to check to see if the NT writers actually did copy from the uninspired books the Catholic religion tries to pawn on people as scripture...
Here's a random sampling from each group:
Sirach 35:22
{35:22} And the Lord will not delay, and he will judge for those who are just, and he will accomplish judgment. And the Almighty will not have patience with them, so that he may crush their back.
Matthew 16:27
Mat 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
Supposedly, the verse in Matthew is taken directly from the verse in Sirach which is supposed to prove that that the writers of the NT copied or quoted those verses from the Apocrypha...
The one verse speaks of judgment while the other verse speaks of rewards...No relevance at all...
Sirach 32:23
Guard[h] yourself in every act,
for this is the keeping of the commandments.
Compared to this:
1 Corinthians 7:19
1Co 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is
nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.
The word commandments is common all thru the bible...There's no specific or isolated connection here at all...
Wisdom 2:11
11. But let our strength be our norm of justice; for weakness proves itself useless.
Together with this:
Romans 9:31
Rom 9:31 But Israel, which followed after the law of
righteousness, hath not attained to the law of
righteousness.
A complete failure...No connection whatsoever...
Wisdom 17:17
17 For whether he were husbandman, or shepherd, or a labourer in the field, he was overtaken, and endured that necessity, which could not be avoided: for they were all bound with one chain of darkness.
Is claimed to be a direct reference to this...
Galatians 6:1
Gal 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.
Another abysmal failure...Not even remotely related...
Tobit 4:6
6 And do thou, while thou hast life, think ever upon God, nor lend thyself to any sinful design, nor leave the commandments of the Lord our God unfulfilled.
Compared with this:
John 3:32
Joh 3:32 And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony.
Tobit is a warning to a sinner and John is speaking of Jesus...Definitely no connection between these verses...
Judith 12:8
8. When she came up from the spring she prayed the Lord God of Israel to direct her way for the raising up of her people.
Referenced from this???
1 Thessalonians 3:11
1Th 3:11 Now God himself and our Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, direct our way unto you.
What??? The only thing these have in common is they both have the word 'direct' in them...And you guys claim that Paul copied Judith is this text??? Deplorable...
1 Maccabees 9:39
39 They looked out and saw a tumultuous procession with a great amount of baggage; and the bridegroom came out with his friends and his brothers to meet them with tambourines and musicians and many weapons.
Supposedly influenced this:
John 3:28
Joh 3:28 Ye yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before him.
This ought to make people want to scream...The first one is a procession getting ambushed and the second one is: John the Baptist...
2 Maccabees 8:17
17. And to set before their eyes the injury that they had unjustly done to the holy place, and the cruel handling of the city, whereof they made a mockery, and also the taking away of the government of their forefathers:
And this event is referenced in this verse in Matthew...
Matthew 24:15
Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
Aw, c'mon...The story in Maccabees is the retaliation of the Jews against the Gentiles long, long before Jesus ever showed up and the event in Matthew is future prophecy...
The one is the destruction of the enemy of the Jews and the other is the anti-Christ standing in the Holy Place calling himself God...
You couldn't find a connection looking with the Hubble telescope...
I wish I had time to go thru all these references...I'll bet there's not a Catholic on FR who would bother to check these to see if they have been lied to...And yes, they have...
It’s no wonder the guy never pursued his project after 17 years.
He probably started and found it to be as big a fail as you just demonstrated.
What you posted certainly is enough to debunk what he said and prove that there is no point continuing on with the comparisons.
Thanks, that is a project i never got to, and RCs have amply demonstrated the liberty they have to compel texts to say what is needed to support what their supreme authority lacks support for.
The desperate nature of such is a result of the ethos of Rome in which she presumes she can declare truth by decree, so that actual Scriptural support is not needed, and even speak infallibly although the supporting arguments are not. Attempting to provide support from Scripture, in condescension to evangelical types, for traditions of men has resulted in the embarrassing extrapolations or shameless sophistry recently exposed in attempts to support PTDS .
Then you have the forgeries Rome made use of in the past to manufacture historical support that is not there.
Back to apocryphal references in the NT, as regards the primary proffered example of a apocryphal reference, Heb.11:35, "Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection," is said to be is "an indisputable reference to 2 Maccabees 7." In which certain Jews were made to "taste swine's flesh," and were "tormented with scourges and whips," and to be fried in the pan, and one had his tongue cut out, while of another they "pulled off the skin of his head with the hair," which they endured in hope of resurrection.
However, 1Ki 17:22-24 alludes to "women received their dead raised to life again," while in the rest if the plausible allusion to 2 Maccabees 7 makes that to be Scripture then all references to history are Scripture. i do not doubt there are some other possible refs (which "may be only a single phrase that echoes one in a deuterocanonical book"), however, even a quotation of something does not make that Scripture, for Paul twice quoted pagans, (Acts 17:29; I Corinthians 15:33) and the book of Enoch (which records 40' men) in Jude 1:14,15.
What is missing are any actual references to apocryphal books as Scripture, in contrast to our canonical books.
Paradoxically, if apocryphal references are indeed references to Scripture then what is does is to provide even moire support for Scripture being the supreme standard on truth and obedience, which is already abundant, as said in this work which is worth seeing. And which states,
It is to be noted that the whole New Testament contains not even one explicit citation of any of the Old Testament Apocrypha which are considered as canonical by the Roman Catholic Church. This omission can scarcely be viewed as accidental.