Posted on 09/30/2013 11:30:08 AM PDT by NYer
How do you read the Bible? Today is the feast day of Saint Jerome, who once quipped, “Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ.”
It’s a running joke that if you want to find a Bible verse, you ought to ask a Protestant and not a Catholic. Protestants read the Bible. Catholics not so much.
This raises the question:
I think the answer lies in the fact that we Catholics go to Mass. The Holy Mass has at least two Bible readings every time. If you pray the Breviary or Liturgy of Hours, multiply that several times.
Joe Catholic says to himself, “Why should I study the Bible? I go to Mass. I hear it there. Check and check.”
There is something beautiful in this. For Catholics, Bible reading is liturgical. Hence, Bible reading remains chiefly a community experience.
It’s good to listen to the readings from the Bible at Holy Mass. However, we also need a personal (even private) encounter with God in the pages of Sacred Scripture. All of the saints breathed Sacred Scripture. Scripture served as the grammar for their souls. They couldn’t communicate without it.
Here are some basic spiritual needs that you have every single day of your life:
So when you wake up tomorrow, do the following:
What? You’re too busy. Sorry, you just got served a yellow card:
Doing these three readings will take you only 3-5 minutes. That’s the time of a commercial break. It will change your life for good. I promise. It takes 21 days to make a habit, so give it 21 days and see if you aren’t hooked. Put the Bible on your night stand and read it in the mornings. Start fresh.
“Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ.” – Saint Jerome, Doctor of the Church
Details, details......
Catholics don’t know what their own church really teaches.
Nor does it seem, that they WANT to know.
No Catholic can actually know what their church teaches because it’s so self-contradictory. You can find something in the CCC that contradicts something else found in the CCC somewhere else.
So no matter what side of an issue they take, they can always be right.
“No Catholic can actually know what their church teaches because its so self-contradictory.”
They don’t have to understand it. They assume it is infallible. It is the original outsourcing of the mind...
When you ask for evidence, silence. Lots of prideful boasting on this thread and lots of bluster, but silence in the face of requests for evidence.
Or wrong!
James 1:6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. 7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. 8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
I didn’t see any Catholics saying that the wrong man can be elected Pope. I see several prots including yourself commenting.
Proof that the RCC would have executed him?
Seeing as we are being all "honest" now, why don't you direct folks back to the post that BEGAN your rant (#50). All the comments after that deal with your initial untruth that said in #105 (which has been deleted by the mod - probably because of the raving it contained - thank him, why don't you?):
Just get on with it, throw out Hebrews, James, and Jude like Master Hu Flung Dung Luther said to and demand proof for why those books shouldn't have been thrown out.
Is it starting to come back to you? Rather than deal with my legitimate response:
It's a pity what poor memories some people have. Luther NEVER threw out Hebrews, James or Jude and he also even included those seven books he's accused of tossing out in his German translation of the Bible. Those FACTS have been posted WITH links numerous times, as well. It borders on comical how frothed up some people can get over what they presume others are doing when they are doing the very SAME thing!
You chose to continue on a tirade hashing out disconnected bits and pieces of previous threads which had little to do with the topic being discussed. You STILL haven't answered the initial questions either. They are:
Just as expected, you have failed to provide all those verses you claim Jesus and the Apostles directly quoted of those Apocryphal books and used words that implied their authority as divinely-inspired sacred Scripture. The reason you cannot is because they never did. Haven't you ever wondered why the Catholic Church waited until the sixteenth century to formally place those books in the canon as equal to all the other commonly accepted ones? Doesn't it bother you that those "questionable" books contain numerous errors and NEVER claim to even BE God-breathed Scripture? It does me and men like Jerome AND Luther, among others, had very good reasons to reject them in the REAL canon.
You can continue frothing if it helps with coping but it won't do much to convince anyone else. And just as another reminder, I don't follow Martin Luther, I don't use "Luther's" Bible (I don't speak or read German) and he is not the Pope of Protestantism so this assassination by association gains you no ground. When you are ready to answer my challenge, we can continue to dialog but I don't see the point in rehashing what you NOW claim is your argument instead of the one you initially made. I'm praying for you.
You go girl....
Nah, as long as they get that wafer when they squawk “...and upon this rock”, they’re satisfied.
I love your tagline.
Been there, doing that.
Thanks! I changed it this morning, after a week of Bluebell Vanilla Ice Cream...why, oh why, I ask myself. AFTER the fact!
Deuterocanonical References
in the New Testament
by James Akin
References in New Testament Order
Matthew 4:4 |
Wisdom 16:26 |
Matthew 4:15 |
1 Maccabees 5:15 |
Matthew 5:18 |
Baruch 4:1 |
Matthew 5:28 |
Sirach 9:8 |
Matthew 5:2ss |
Sirach 25:7-12 |
Matthew 5:4 |
Sirach 48:24 |
Matthew 6:7 |
Sirach 7:14 |
Matthew 6:9 |
Sirach 23:1, 4 |
Matthew 6:10 |
1 Maccabees 3:60 |
Matthew 6:12 |
Sirach 28:2 |
Matthew 6:13 |
Sirach 33:1 |
Matthew 6:20 |
Sirach 29:10s |
Matthew 6:23 |
Sirach 14:10 |
Matthew 6:33 |
Wisdom 7:11 |
Matthew 7:12 |
Tobit 4:15 |
Matthew 7:12 |
Sirach 31:15 |
Matthew 7:16 |
Sirach 27:6 |
Matthew 8:11 |
Baruch 4:37 |
Matthew 8:21 |
Tobit 4:3 |
Matthew 9:36 |
Judith 11:19 |
Matthew 9:38 |
1 Maccabees 12:17 |
Matthew 10:16 |
Sirach 13:17 |
Matthew 11:14 |
Sirach 48:10 |
Matthew 11:22 |
Judith 16:17 |
Matthew 11:25 |
Tobit 7:17 |
Matthew 11:25 |
Sirach 51:1 |
Matthew 11:28 |
Sirach 24:19 |
Matthew 11:28 |
Sirach 51:23 |
Matthew 11:29 |
Sirach 6:24s |
Matthew 11:29 |
Sirach 6:28s |
Matthew 11:29 |
Sirach 51:26s |
Matthew 12:4 |
2 Maccabees 10:3 |
Matthew 12:5 |
Sirach 40:15 |
Matthew 13:44 |
Sirach 20:30s |
Matthew 16:18 |
Wisdom 16:13 |
Matthew 16:22 |
1 Maccabees 2:21 |
Matthew 16:27 |
Sirach 35:22 |
Matthew 17:11 |
Sirach 48:10 |
Matthew 18:10 |
Tobit 12:15 |
Matthew 20:2 |
Tobit 5:15 |
Matthew 22:13 |
Wisdom 17:2 |
Matthew 23:38 |
Tobit 14:4 |
Matthew 24:15 |
1 Maccabees 1:54 |
Matthew 24:15 |
2 Maccabees 8:17 |
Matthew 24:16 |
1 Maccabees 2:28 |
Matthew 25:35 |
Tobit 4:17 |
Matthew 25:36 |
Sirach 7:32-35 |
Matthew 26:38 |
Sirach 37:2 |
Matthew 27:24 |
Daniel 13:46 |
Matthew 27:43 |
Wisdom 2:13 |
Matthew 27:43 |
Wisdom 2:18-20 |
Mark 1:15 |
Tobit 14:5 |
Mark 4:5 |
Sirach 40:15 |
Mark 4:11 |
Wisdom 2:22 |
Mark 5:34 |
Judith 8:35 |
Mark 6:49 |
Wisdom 17:15 |
Mark 8:37 |
Sirach 26:14 |
Mark 9:31 |
Sirach 2:18 |
Mark 9:48 |
Judith 16:17 |
Mark 10:18 |
Sirach 4:1 |
Mark 14:34 |
Sirach 37:2 |
Mark 15:29 |
Wisdom 2:17s |
Luke 1:17 |
Sirach 48:10 |
Luke 1:19 |
Tobit 12:15 |
Luke 1:42 |
Judith 13:18 |
Luke 1:52 |
Sirach 10:14 |
Luke 2:29 |
Tobit 11:9 |
Luke 2:37 |
Judith 8:6 |
Luke 6:35 |
Wisdom 15:1 |
Luke 7:22 |
Sirach 48:5 |
Luke 9:8 |
Sirach 48:10 |
Luke 10:17 |
Tobit 7:17 |
Luke 10:19 |
Sirach 11:19 |
Luke 10:21 |
Sirach 51:1 |
Luke 12:19 |
Tobit 7:10 |
Luke 12:20 |
Wisdom 15:8 |
Luke 13:25 |
Tobit 14:4 |
Luke 13:27 |
1 Maccabees 3:6 |
Luke 13:29 |
Baruch 4:37 |
Luke 14:13 |
Tobit 2:2 |
Luke 15:12 |
1 Maccabees 10:29 [30] |
Luke 15:12 |
Tobit 3:17 |
Luke 18:7 |
Sirach 35:22 |
Luke 19:44 |
Wisdom 3:7 |
Luke 21:24 |
Tobit 14:5 |
Luke 21:24 |
Sirach 28:18 |
Luke 21:25 |
Wisdom 5:22 |
Luke 24:4 |
2 Maccabees 3:26 |
Luke 24:31 |
2 Maccabees 3:34 |
Luke 24:50 |
Sirach 50:20s |
Luke 24:53 |
Sirach 50:22 |
John 1:3 |
Wisdom 9:1 |
John 3:8 |
Sirach 16:21 |
John 3:12 |
Wisdom 9:16 |
John 3:12 |
Wisdom 18:15s |
John 3:13 |
Baruch 3:29 |
John 3:28 |
1 Maccabees 9:39 |
John 3:32 |
Tobit 4:6 |
John 4:9 |
Sirach 50:25s |
John 4:48 |
Wisdom 8:8 |
John 5:18 |
Wisdom 2:16 |
John 6:35 |
Sirach 24:21 |
John 7:38 |
Sirach 24:40, 43[30s] |
John 8:44 |
Wisdom 2:24 |
John 8:53 |
Sirach 44:19 |
John 10:20 |
Wisdom 5:4 |
John 10:22 |
1 Maccabees 4:59 |
John 14:15 |
Wisdom 6:18 |
John 15:9s |
Wisdom 3:9 |
John 17:3 |
Wisdom 15:3 |
John 20:22 |
Wisdom 15:11 |
Acts 1:10 |
2 Maccabees 3:26 |
Acts 1:18 |
Wisdom 4:19 |
Acts 2:4 |
Sirach 48:12 |
Acts 2:11 |
Sirach 36:7 |
Acts 2:39 |
Sirach 24:32 |
Acts 4:24 |
Judith 9:12 |
Acts 5:2 |
2 Maccabees 4:32 |
Acts 5:12 |
1 Maccabees 12:6 |
Acts 5:21 |
2 Maccabees 1:10 |
Acts 5:39 |
2 Maccabees 7:19 |
Acts 9:1-29 |
2 Maccabees 3:24-40 |
Acts 9:2 |
1 Maccabees 15:21 |
Acts 9:7 |
Wisdom 18:1 |
Acts 10:2 |
Tobit 12:8 |
Acts 10:22 |
1 Maccabees 10:25 |
Acts 10:22 |
1 Maccabees 11:30, 33 etc. |
Acts 10:26 |
Wisdom 7:1 |
Acts 10:30 |
2 Maccabees 11:8 |
Acts 10:34 |
Sirach 35:12s |
Acts 10:36 |
Wisdom 6:7 |
Acts 10:36 |
Wisdom 8:3 etc. |
Acts 11:18 |
Wisdom 12:19 |
Acts 12:5 |
Judith 4:9 |
Acts 12:10 |
Sirach 19:26 |
Acts 12:23 |
Judith 16:17 |
Acts 12:23 |
Sirach 48:21 |
Acts 12:23 |
1 Maccabees 7:41 |
Acts 12:23 |
2 Maccabees 9:9 |
Acts 13:10 |
Sirach 1:30 |
Acts 13:17 |
Wisdom 19:10 |
Acts 14:14 |
Judith 14:16s |
Acts 14:15 |
Wisdom 7:3 |
Acts 15:4 |
Judith 8:26 |
Acts 16:14 |
2 Maccabees 1:4 |
Acts 17:23 |
Wisdom 14:20 |
Acts 17:23 |
Wisdom 15:17 |
Acts 17:24, 25 |
Wisdom 9:1 |
Acts 17:24 |
Tobit 7:17 |
Acts 17:24 |
Wisdom 9:9 |
Acts 17:26 |
Wisdom 7:18 |
Acts 17:27 |
Wisdom 13:6 |
Acts 17:29 |
Wisdom 13:10 |
Acts 17:30 |
Sirach 28:7 |
Acts 19:27 |
Wisdom 3:17 |
Acts 19:28 |
Daniel 14:18, 41 |
Acts 20:26 |
Daniel 13:46 |
Acts 20:32 |
Wisdom 5:5 |
Acts 20:35 |
Sirach 4:31 |
Acts 21:26 |
1 Maccabees 3:49 |
Acts 22.9 |
Wisdom 18.1 |
Acts 24:2 |
2 Maccabees 4:6 |
Acts 26:18 |
Wisdom 5:5 |
Acts 26:25 |
Judith 10:13 |
Wisdom 13-15 |
|
Romans 1:21 |
Wisdom 13:1 |
Romans 1:23 |
Wisdom 11:15 |
Romans 1:23 |
Wisdom 12:24 |
Romans 1:28 |
2 Maccabees 6:4 |
Romans 2:4 |
Wisdom 11:23 |
Romans 2:11 |
Sirach 35:12s |
Romans 2:15 |
Wisdom 17:11 |
Romans 4:13 |
Sirach 44:21 |
Romans 4:17 |
Sirach 44:19 |
Romans 5:5 |
Sirach 18:11 |
Romans 5:12 |
Wisdom 2:24 |
Romans 9:4 |
Sirach 44:12 |
Romans 9:4 |
2 Maccabees 6:23 |
Romans 9:19 |
Wisdom 12:12 |
Romans 9:21 |
Wisdom 15:7 |
Romans 9:31 |
Sirach 27:8 |
Romans 9:31 |
Wisdom 2:11 |
Romans 10.7 |
Wisdom 16.13 |
Romans 10:6 |
Baruch 3:29 |
Romans 11:4 |
2 Maccabees 2:4 |
Romans 11:15 |
Sirach 10:20s |
Romans 11:33 |
Wisdom 17:1 |
Romans 12:15 |
Sirach 7:34 |
Romans 13:1 |
Sirach 4:27 |
Romans 13:1 |
Wisdom 6:3s |
Romans 13.10 |
Wisdom 6.18 |
Romans 15:4 |
1 Maccabees 12:9 |
Romans 15:8 |
Sirach 36:20 |
1 Corinthians 1:24 |
Wisdom 7:24s |
1 Corinthians 2:16 |
Wisdom 9:13 |
1 Corinthians 2:9 |
Sirach 1:10 |
1 Corinthians 4:13 |
Tobit 5:19 |
1 Corinthians 4:14 |
Wisdom 11:10 |
1 Corinthians 6:2 |
Wisdom 3:8 |
1 Corinthians 6:12 |
Sirach 37:28 |
1 Corinthians 6:13 |
Sirach 36:18 |
1 Corinthians 6:18 |
Sirach 23:17 |
1 Corinthians 7:19 |
Sirach 32:23 |
1 Corinthians 9:19 |
Sirach 6:19 |
1 Corinthians 9:25 |
Wisdom 4:2 |
1 Corinthians 10:1 |
Wisdom 19:7s |
1 Corinthians 10:20 |
Baruch 4:7 |
1 Corinthians 10:23 |
Sirach 37:28 |
1 Corinthians 11:7 |
Sirach 17:3 |
1 Corinthians 11:7 |
Wisdom 2:23 |
1 Corinthians 11:24 |
Wisdom 16:6 |
1 Corinthians 15:29 |
2 Maccabees 12:43s |
1 Corinthians 15:32 |
Wisdom 2:5s |
1 Corinthians 15:34 |
Wisdom 13:1 |
2 Corinthians 5:1, 4 |
Wisdom 9:15 |
2 Corinthians 12:12 |
Wisdom 10:16 |
Galatians 2:6 |
Sirach 35:13 |
Galatians 4:4 |
Tobit 14:5 |
Galatians 6:1 |
Wisdom 17:17 |
Ephesians 1:6 |
Sirach 45:1 |
Ephesians 1:6 |
Sirach 46:13 |
Ephesians 1:17 |
Wisdom 7:7 |
Ephesians 4:14 |
Sirach 5:9 |
Ephesians 4:24 |
Wisdom 9:3 |
Ephesians 6:12 |
Wisdom 5:17 |
Ephesians 6:14 |
Wisdom 5:18 |
Ephesians 6:16 |
Wisdom 5:19, 21 |
Philippians 4:5 |
Wisdom 2:19 |
Philippians 4:13 |
Wisdom 7:23 |
Philippians 4:18 |
Sirach 35:6 |
Colossians 2:3 |
Sirach 1:24s |
1 Thessalonians 3:11 |
Judith 12:8 |
1 Thessalonians 4:6 |
Sirach 5:3 |
1 Thessalonians 4:13 |
Wisdom 3:18 |
1 Thessalonians 5:1 |
Wisdom 8:8 |
1 Thessalonians 5:2 |
Wisdom 18:14s |
1 Thessalonians 5:3 |
Wisdom 17:14 |
1 Thessalonians 5:8 |
Wisdom 5:18 |
2 Thessalonians 2:1 |
2 Maccabees 2:7 |
1 Timothy 1:17 |
Tobit 13:7, 11 |
1 Timothy 2:2 |
2 Maccabees 3:11 |
1 Timothy 2:2 |
Baruch 1:11s |
1 Timothy 6:15 |
Sirach 46:5 |
1 Timothy 6:15 |
2 Maccabees 12:15 |
1 Timothy 6:15 |
2 Maccabees 13:4 |
2 Timothy 2:19 |
Sirach 17:26 |
2 Timothy 2:19 |
Sirach 23:10v1 |
2 Timothy 2:19 |
Sirach 35:3 |
2 Timothy 4:8 |
Wisdom 5:16 |
2 Timothy 4:17 |
1 Maccabees 2:60 |
Titus 2:11 |
2 Maccabees 3:30 |
Titus 3:4 |
Wisdom 1:6 |
Hebrews 1:3 |
Wisdom 7:25s |
Hebrews 2:5 |
Sirach 17:17 |
Hebrews 4.12 |
Wisdom 18.15s |
Hebrews 4:12 |
Wisdom 7:22-30 |
Hebrews 5:6 |
1 Maccabees 14:41 |
Hebrews 7:22 |
Sirach 29:14ss |
Hebrews 11:5 |
Sirach 44:16 |
Hebrews 11:5 |
Wisdom 4:10 |
Hebrews 11:6 |
Wisdom 10:17 |
Hebrews 11.10 |
Wisdom 13.1 |
Hebrews 11:10 |
2 Maccabees 4:1 |
Hebrews 11:17 |
1 Maccabees 2:52 |
Hebrews 11:17 |
Sirach 44:20 |
Hebrews 11:27 |
Sirach 2:2 |
Hebrews 11:28 |
Wisdom 18:25 |
Hebrews 11:35 |
2 Maccabees 6:18-7:42 |
Hebrews 12:4 |
2 Maccabees 13:14 |
Hebrews 12:9 |
2 Maccabees 3:24 |
Hebrews 12:12 |
Sirach 25:23 |
Hebrews 12:17 |
Wisdom 12:10 |
Hebrews 12:21 |
1 Maccabees 13:2 |
Hebrews 13:7 |
Sirach 33:19 |
Hebrews 13:7 |
Wisdom 2:17 |
James 1:1 |
2 Maccabees 1:27 |
James 1:13 |
Sirach 15:11-20 |
James 1:19 |
Sirach 5:11 |
James 1:2 |
Sirach 2:1 |
James 1:2 |
Wisdom 3:4s |
James 1:21 |
Sirach 3:17 |
James 2:13 |
Tobit 4:10 |
James 2:23 |
Wisdom 7:27 |
James 3:2 |
Sirach 14:1 |
James 3:6 |
Sirach 5:13 |
James 3:9 |
Sirach 23:1, 4 |
James 3:10 |
Sirach 5:13 |
James 3:10 |
Sirach 28:12 |
James 3:13 |
Sirach 3:17 |
James 4:2 |
1 Maccabees 8:16 |
James 4:11 |
Wisdom 1:11 |
James 5:3 |
Judith 16:17 |
James 5:3 |
Sirach 29:10 |
James 5:4 |
Tobit 4:14 |
James 5:6 |
Wisdom 2:10 |
James 5:6 |
Wisdom 2:12 |
James 5:6 |
Wisdom 2:19 |
1 Peter 1:3 |
Sirach 16:12 |
1 Peter 1:7 |
Sirach 2:5 |
1 Peter 2:25 |
Wisdom 1:6 |
1 Peter 4:19 |
2 Maccabees 1:24 etc. |
1 Peter 5:7 |
Wisdom 12:13 |
2 Peter 2:2 |
Wisdom 5:6 |
2 Peter 2:7 |
Wisdom 10:6 |
2 Peter 3:9 |
Sirach 35:19 |
2 Peter 3:18 |
Sirach 18:10 |
1 John 5:21 |
Baruch 5:72 |
Jude 13 |
Wisdom 14:1 |
Revelation 1:18 |
Sirach 18:1 |
Revelation 2:10 |
2 Maccabees 13:14 |
Revelation 2:12 |
Wisdom 18:16 [15] |
Revelation 2:17 |
2 Maccabees 2:4-8 |
Revelation 4:11 |
Sirach 18:1 |
Revelation 4:11 |
Wisdom 1:14 |
Revelation 5:7 |
Sirach 1:8 |
Revelation 7:9 |
2 Maccabees 10:7 |
Revelation 8:1 |
Wisdom 18:14 |
Revelation 8:2 |
Tobit 12:15 |
Revelation 8:3 |
Tobit 12:12 |
Revelation 8:7 |
Sirach 39:29 |
Revelation 8:7 |
Wisdom 16:22 |
Revelation 9:3 |
Wisdom 16:9 |
Revelation 9:4 |
Sirach 44:18 etc. |
Revelation 11:19 |
2 Maccabees 2:4-8 |
Revelation 17:14 |
2 Maccabees 13:4 |
Revelation 18:2 |
Baruch 4:35 |
Revelation 19:1 |
Tobit 13:18 |
Revelation 19:11 |
2 Maccabees 3:25 |
Revelation 19:11 |
2 Maccabees 11:8 |
Revelation 19:16 |
2 Maccabees 13:4 |
Revelation 20:12s |
Sirach 16:12 |
Revelation 21:19s |
Tobit 13:17 |
References in Deuterocanonical Order
Daniel 13:46 |
Matthew 27:24 |
Daniel 13:46 |
Acts 20:26 |
Daniel 14:18, 41 |
Acts 19:28 |
Baruch 1:11s |
1 Timothy 2:2 |
Baruch 3:29 |
John 3:13 |
Baruch 3:29 |
Romans 10:6 |
Baruch 4:1 |
Matthew 5:18 |
Baruch 4:7 |
1 Corinthians 10:20 |
Baruch 4:35 |
Revelation 18:2 |
Baruch 4:37 |
Matthew 8:11 |
Baruch 4:37 |
Luke 13:29 |
Baruch 5:72 |
1 John 5:21 |
Sirach 1:8 |
Revelation 5:7 |
Sirach 1:10 |
1 Corinthians 2:9 |
Sirach 1:24s |
Colossians 2:3 |
Sirach 1:30 |
Acts 13:10 |
Sirach 2:1 |
James 1:2 |
Sirach 2:2 |
Hebrews 11:27 |
Sirach 2:5 |
1 Peter 1:7 |
Sirach 2:18 |
Mark 9:31 |
Sirach 3:17 |
James 1:21 |
Sirach 3:17 |
James 3:13 |
Sirach 4:1 |
Mark 10:18 |
Sirach 4:27 |
Romans 13:1 |
Sirach 4:31 |
Acts 20:35 |
Sirach 5:3 |
1 Thessalonians 4:6 |
Sirach 5:9 |
Ephesians 4:14 |
Sirach 5:11 |
James 1:19 |
Sirach 5:13 |
James 3:6 |
Sirach 5:13 |
James 3:10 |
Sirach 6:19 |
1 Corinthians 9:19 |
Sirach 6:24s |
Matthew 11:29 |
Sirach 6:28s |
Matthew 11:29 |
Sirach 7:14 |
Matthew 6:7 |
Sirach 7:32-35 |
Matthew 25:36 |
Sirach 7:34 |
Romans 12:15 |
Sirach 9:8 |
Matthew 5:28 |
Sirach 10:14 |
Luke 1:52 |
Sirach 10:20s |
Romans 11:15 |
Sirach 11:19 |
Luke 10:19 |
Sirach 13:17 |
Matthew 10:16 |
Sirach 14:1 |
James 3:2 |
Sirach 14:10 |
Matthew 6:23 |
Sirach 15:11-20 |
James 1:13 |
Sirach 16:12 |
1 Peter 1:3 |
Sirach 16:12 |
Revelation 20:12s |
Sirach 16:21 |
John 3:8 |
Sirach 17:3 |
1 Corinthians 11:7 |
Sirach 17:17 |
Hebrews 2:5 |
Sirach 17:26 |
2 Timothy 2:19 |
Sirach 18:1 |
Revelation 1:18 |
Sirach 18:1 |
Revelation 4:11 |
Sirach 18:10 |
2 Peter 3:18 |
Sirach 18:11 |
Romans 5:5 |
Sirach 19:26 |
Acts 12:10 |
Sirach 20:30s |
Matthew 13:44 |
Sirach 23:1, 4 |
Matthew 6:9 |
Sirach 23:1, 4 |
James 3:9 |
Sirach 23:10v1 |
2 Timothy 2:19 |
Sirach 23:17 |
1 Corinthians 6:18 |
Sirach 24:19 |
Matthew 11:28 |
Sirach 24:21 |
John 6:35 |
Sirach 24:32 |
Acts 2:39 |
Sirach 24:40, 43[30s] |
John 7:38 |
Sirach 25:7-12 |
Matthew 5:2ss |
Sirach 25:23 |
Hebrews 12:12 |
Sirach 26:14 |
Mark 8:37 |
Sirach 27:6 |
Matthew 7:16 |
Sirach 27:8 |
Romans 9:31 |
Sirach 28:2 |
Matthew 6:12 |
Sirach 28:7 |
Acts 17:30 |
Sirach 28:12 |
James 3:10 |
Sirach 28:18 |
Luke 21:24 |
Sirach 29:10 |
James 5:3 |
Sirach 29:10s |
Matthew 6:20 |
Sirach 29:14ss |
Hebrews 7:22 |
Sirach 31:15 |
Matthew 7:12 |
Sirach 32:23 |
1 Corinthians 7:19 |
Sirach 33:1 |
Matthew 6:13 |
Sirach 33:19 |
Hebrews 13:7 |
Sirach 35:3 |
2 Timothy 2:19 |
Sirach 35:6 |
Philippians 4:18 |
Sirach 35:12s |
Acts 10:34 |
Sirach 35:12s |
Romans 2:11 |
Sirach 35:13 |
Galatians 2:6 |
Sirach 35:19 |
2 Peter 3:9 |
Sirach 35:22 |
Matthew 16:27 |
Sirach 35:22 |
Luke 18:7 |
Sirach 36:7 |
Acts 2:11 |
Sirach 36:18 |
1 Corinthians 6:13 |
Sirach 36:20 |
Romans 15:8 |
Sirach 37:2 |
Matthew 26:38 |
Sirach 37:2 |
Mark 14:34 |
Sirach 37:28 |
1 Corinthians 6:12 |
Sirach 37:28 |
1 Corinthians 10:23 |
Sirach 39:29 |
Revelation 8:7 |
Sirach 40:15 |
Matthew 12:5 |
Sirach 40:15 |
Mark 4:5 |
Sirach 44:12 |
Romans 9:4 |
Sirach 44:16 |
Hebrews 11:5 |
Sirach 44:18 etc. |
Revelation 9:4 |
Sirach 44:19 |
John 8:53 |
Sirach 44:19 |
Romans 4:17 |
Sirach 44:20 |
Hebrews 11:17 |
Sirach 44:21 |
Romans 4:13 |
Sirach 45:1 |
Ephesians 1:6 |
Sirach 46:5 |
1 Timothy 6:15 |
Sirach 46:13 |
Ephesians 1:6 |
Sirach 48:5 |
Luke 7:22 |
Sirach 48:10 |
Matthew 11:14 |
Sirach 48:10 |
Matthew 17:11 |
Sirach 48:10 |
Luke 1:17 |
Sirach 48:10 |
Luke 9:8 |
Sirach 48:12 |
Acts 2:4 |
Sirach 48:21 |
Acts 12:23 |
Sirach 48:24 |
Matthew 5:4 |
Sirach 50:20s |
Luke 24:50 |
Sirach 50:22 |
Luke 24:53 |
Sirach 50:25s |
John 4:9 |
Sirach 51:1 |
Matthew 11:25 |
Sirach 51:1 |
Luke 10:21 |
Sirach 51:23 |
Matthew 11:28 |
Sirach 51:26s |
Matthew 11:29 |
Wisdom 1:6 |
Titus 3:4 |
Wisdom 1:6 |
1 Peter 2:25 |
Wisdom 1:11 |
James 4:11 |
Wisdom 1:14 |
Revelation 4:11 |
Wisdom 2:5s |
1 Corinthians 15:32 |
Wisdom 2:10 |
James 5:6 |
Wisdom 2:11 |
Romans 9:31 |
Wisdom 2:12 |
James 5:6 |
Wisdom 2:13 |
Matthew 27:43 |
Wisdom 2:16 |
John 5:18 |
Wisdom 2:17 |
Hebrews 13:7 |
Wisdom 2:17s |
Mark 15:29 |
Wisdom 2:18-20 |
Matthew 27:43 |
Wisdom 2:19 |
Philippians 4:5 |
Wisdom 2:19 |
James 5:6 |
Wisdom 2:22 |
Mark 4:11 |
Wisdom 2:23 |
1 Corinthians 11:7 |
Wisdom 2:24 |
John 8:44 |
Wisdom 2:24 |
Romans 5:12 |
Wisdom 3:4s |
James 1:2 |
Wisdom 3:7 |
Luke 19:44 |
Wisdom 3:8 |
1 Corinthians 6:2 |
Wisdom 3:9 |
John 15:9s |
Wisdom 3:17 |
Acts 19:27 |
Wisdom 3:18 |
1 Thessalonians 4:13 |
Wisdom 4:2 |
1 Corinthians 9:25 |
Wisdom 4:10 |
Hebrews 11:5 |
Wisdom 4:19 |
Acts 1:18 |
Wisdom 5:4 |
John 10:20 |
Wisdom 5:5 |
Acts 20:32 |
Wisdom 5:5 |
Acts 26:18 |
Wisdom 5:6 |
2 Peter 2:2 |
Wisdom 5:16 |
2 Timothy 4:8 |
Wisdom 5:17 |
Ephesians 6:12 |
Wisdom 5:18 |
Ephesians 6:14 |
Wisdom 5:18 |
1 Thessalonians 5:8 |
Wisdom 5:19, 21 |
Ephesians 6:16 |
Wisdom 5:22 |
Luke 21:25 |
Wisdom 6:3s |
Romans 13:1 |
Wisdom 6:7 |
Acts 10:36 |
Wisdom 6:18 |
John 14:15 |
Wisdom 6.18 |
Romans 13.10 |
Wisdom 7:1 |
Acts 10:26 |
Wisdom 7:3 |
Acts 14:15 |
Wisdom 7:7 |
Ephesians 1:17 |
Wisdom 7:11 |
Matthew 6:33 |
Wisdom 7:18 |
Acts 17:26 |
Wisdom 7:22-30 |
Hebrews 4:12 |
Wisdom 7:23 |
Philippians 4:13 |
Wisdom 7:24s |
1 Corinthians 1:24 |
Wisdom 7:25s |
Hebrews 1:3 |
Wisdom 7:27 |
James 2:23 |
Wisdom 8:3 etc. |
Acts 10:36 |
Wisdom 8:8 |
John 4:48 |
Wisdom 8:8 |
1 Thessalonians 5:1 |
Wisdom 9:1 |
John 1:3 |
Wisdom 9.1 |
Acts 17.24, 25 |
Wisdom 9:3 |
Ephesians 4:24 |
Wisdom 9:9 |
Acts 17:24 |
Wisdom 9:13 |
1 Corinthians 2:16 |
Wisdom 9:15 |
2 Corinthians 5:1, 4 |
Wisdom 9:16 |
John 3:12 |
Wisdom 10:6 |
2 Peter 2:7 |
Wisdom 10:16 |
2 Corinthians 12:12 |
Wisdom 10:17 |
Hebrews 11:6 |
Wisdom 11:10 |
1 Corinthians 4:14 |
Wisdom 11:15 |
Romans 1:23 |
Wisdom 11:23 |
Romans 2:4 |
Wisdom 12:10 |
Hebrews 12:17 |
Wisdom 12:12 |
Romans 9:19 |
Wisdom 12:13 |
1 Peter 5:7 |
Wisdom 12:19 |
Acts 11:18 |
Wisdom 12:24 |
Romans 1:23 |
Wisdom 13-15 |
Romans 1:19-32 |
Wisdom 13:1 |
Romans 1:21 |
Wisdom 13.1 |
1 Corinthians 15.34 |
Wisdom 13.1 |
Hebrews 11.10 |
Wisdom 13:6 |
Acts 17:27 |
Wisdom 13:10 |
Acts 17:29 |
Wisdom 14:1 |
Jude 13 |
Wisdom 14:20 |
Acts 17:23 |
Wisdom 15:1 |
Luke 6:35 |
Wisdom 15:3 |
John 17:3 |
Wisdom 15:7 |
Romans 9:21 |
Wisdom 15:8 |
Luke 12:20 |
Wisdom 15:11 |
John 20:22 |
Wisdom 15:17 |
Acts 17:23 |
Wisdom 16:6 |
1 Corinthians 11:24 |
Wisdom 16:9 |
Revelation 9:3 |
Wisdom 16:13 |
Matthew 16:18 |
Wisdom 16.13 |
Romans 10.7 |
Wisdom 16:22 |
Revelation 8:7 |
Wisdom 16:26 |
Matthew 4:4 |
Wisdom 17:1 |
Romans 11:33 |
Wisdom 17:2 |
Matthew 22:13 |
Wisdom 17:11 |
Romans 2:15 |
Wisdom 17:14 |
1 Thessalonians 5:3 |
Wisdom 17:15 |
Mark 6:49 |
Wisdom 17:17 |
Galatians 6:1 |
Wisdom 18:1 |
Acts 9:7 |
Wisdom 18.1 |
Acts 22.9 |
Wisdom 18:14 |
Revelation 8:1 |
Wisdom 18:14s |
1 Thessalonians 5:2 |
Wisdom 18:15s |
John 3:12 |
Wisdom 18.15s |
Hebrews 4.12 |
Wisdom 18:16 [15] |
Revelation 2:12 |
Wisdom 18:25 |
Hebrews 11:28 |
Wisdom 19:7s |
1 Corinthians 10:1 |
Wisdom 19:10 |
Acts 13:17 |
Tobit 2:2 |
Luke 14:13 |
Tobit 3:17 |
Luke 15:12 |
Tobi 4:3 |
Matthew 8:21 |
Tobit 4:6 |
John 3:32 |
Tobit 4:10 |
James 2:13 |
Tobit 4:14 |
James 5:4 |
Tobit 4:15 |
Matthew 7:12 |
Tobit 4:17 |
Matthew 25:35 |
Tobit 5:15 |
Matthew 20:2 |
Tobit 5:19 |
1 Corinthians 4:13 |
Tobit 7:10 |
Luke 12:19 |
Tobit 7:17 |
Matthew 11:25 |
Tobit 7:17 |
Luke 10:17 |
Tobit 7:17 |
Acts 17:24 |
Tobit 11:9 |
Luke 2:29 |
Tobit 12:8 |
Acts 10:2 |
Tobit 12:12 |
Revelation 8:3 |
Tobit 12:15 |
Matthew 18:10 |
Tobit 12:15 |
Luke 1:19 |
Tobit 12:15 |
Revelation 8:2 |
Tobit 13:7, 11 |
1 Timothy 1:17 |
Tobit 13:17 |
Revelation 21:19s |
Tobit 13:18 |
Revelation 19:1 |
Tobit 14:4 |
Matthew 23:38 |
Tobit 14:4 |
Luke 13:25 |
Tobit 14:5 |
Mark 1:15 |
Tobit 14:5 |
Luke 21:24 |
Tobit 14:5 |
Galatians 4:4 |
Judith 4:9 |
Acts 12:5 |
Judith 8:6 |
Luke 2:37 |
Judith 8:26 |
Acts 15:4 |
Judith 8:35 |
Mark 5:34 |
Judith 9:12 |
Acts 4:24 |
Judith 10:13 |
Acts 26:25 |
Judith 11:19 |
Matthew 9:36 |
Judith 12:8 |
1 Thessalonians 3:11 |
Judith 13:18 |
Luke 1:42 |
Judith 14:16s |
Acts 14:14 |
Judith 16:17 |
Matthew 11:22 |
Judith 16:17 |
Mark 9:48 |
Judith 16:17 |
Acts 12:23 |
Judith 16:17 |
James 5:3 |
1 Maccabees 1:54 |
Matthew 24:15 |
1 Maccabees 2:21 |
Matthew 16:22 |
1 Maccabees 2:28 |
Matthew 24:16 |
1 Maccabees 2:52 |
Hebrews 11:17 |
1 Maccabees 2:60 |
2 Timothy 4:17 |
1 Maccabees 3:6 |
Luke 13:27 |
1 Maccabees 3:49 |
Acts 21:26 |
1 Maccabees 3:60 |
Matthew 6:10 |
1 Maccabees 4:59 |
John 10:22 |
1 Maccabees 5:15 |
Matthew 4:15 |
1 Maccabees 7:41 |
Acts 12:23 |
1 Maccabees 8:16 |
James 4:2 |
1 Maccabees 9:39 |
John 3:28 |
1 Maccabees 10:25 |
Acts 10:22 |
1 Maccabees 10:29 [30] |
Luke 15:12 |
1 Maccabees 11:30, 33 etc. |
Acts 10:22 |
1 Maccabees 12:6 |
Acts 5:12 |
1 Maccabees 12:9 |
Romans 15:4 |
1 Maccabees 12:17 |
Matthew 9:38 |
1 Maccabees 13:2 |
Hebrews 12:21 |
1 Maccabees 14:41 |
Hebrews 5:6 |
1 Maccabees 15:21 |
Acts 9:2 |
2 Maccabees 1:4 |
Acts 16:14 |
2 Maccabees 1:10 |
Acts 5:21 |
2 Maccabees 1:24 etc. |
1 Peter 4:19 |
2 Maccabees 1:27 |
James 1:1 |
2 Maccabees 2:4 |
Romans 11:4 |
2 Maccabees 2:4-8 |
Revelation 2:17 |
2 Maccabees 2:4-8 |
Revelation 11:19 |
2 Maccabees 2:7 |
2 Thessalonians 2:1 |
2 Maccabees 3:11 |
1 Timothy 2:2 |
2 Maccabees 3:24 |
Hebrews 12:9 |
2 Maccabees 3:24-40 |
Acts 9:1-29 |
2 Maccabees 3:25 |
Revelation 19:11 |
2 Maccabees 3:26 |
Luke 24:4 |
2 Maccabees 3:26 |
Acts 1:10 |
2 Maccabees 3:30 |
Titus 2:11 |
2 Maccabees 3:34 |
Luke 24:31 |
2 Maccabees 4:1 |
Hebrews 11:10 |
2 Maccabees 4:6 |
Acts 24:2 |
2 Maccabees 4:32 |
Acts 5:2 |
2 Maccabees 6:4 |
Romans 1:28 |
2 Maccabees 6:18-7:42 |
Hebrews 11:35 |
2 Maccabees 6:23 |
Romans 9:4 |
2 Maccabees 7:19 |
Acts 5:39 |
2 Maccabees 8:17 |
Matthew 24:15 |
2 Maccabees 9:9 |
Acts 12:23 |
2 Maccabees 10:3 |
Matthew 12:4 |
2 Maccabees 10:7 |
Revelation 7:9 |
2 Maccabees 11:8 |
Acts 10:30 |
2 Maccabees 11:8 |
Revelation 19:11 |
2 Maccabees 12:15 |
1 Timothy 6:15 |
2 Maccabees 12:43s |
1 Corinthians 15:29 |
2 Maccabees 13:4 |
1 Timothy 6:15 |
2 Maccabees 13:4 |
Revelation 17:14 |
2 Maccabees 13:4 |
Revelation 19:16 |
2 Maccabees 13:14 |
Hebrews 12:4 |
2 Maccabees 13:14 |
Revelation 2:10 |
You seem to have been spammed, boatbums. Who knew that so much useless information could be gathered together and sent to someone who CLEARLY is not going to bother..(I’m ASSUMING here..:). Who in their right mind WOULD bother? Not since another FReeper posted his every Sunday BOOK on pictures and Catholic propaganda have I been so overwhelmed with nothingness.
"I get a lot of requests for a list of the references the New Testament makes to the deuterocanonical books of the Old Testament. Unfortunately, giving a list is not such a simple affair since it is not always obvious whether something is a genuine reference.
Hebrews 11:35 is an indisputable reference to 2 Maccabees 7, but many are not so clear as there may be only a single phrase that echoes one in a deuterocanonical book (and this may not be obvious in the translation, but only the original languages).
This is the same with New Testament references to the protocanonical books of the Old Testament. How many New Testament references there are to the Old Testament depends in large measure on what you are going to count as a reference.
As a result, many scholarly works simply give an enormous catalogue of all proposed references and leave it to the individual interpreter to decide whether a given reference is actual or not.
I will follow the same procedure until I have time to sit down with the following references, sort through them, and decide which I can prove to be references are to deutercanonical books. If you find any you think are indisputable, email me, as it will help with the project of producing a shorter list of indisputable references.
The following (huge) list is taken from pp. 800-804 of the Nestle-Aland Greek New Testament, 27th edition (Novum Testamentum: Graece et Latine, published by Deutsche Bibelgesellschaft)."
Same weak *evidence* provided by Catholics for everything they claim.
The list is nothing but Scripture references listed together with no way to prove that they are valid. Even Jimmy admits as much. And copyrighted from 1996, to boot, and obviously, nothing has been done with the list in the last 17 years.
The list proves NOTHING.
Interesting
Why didn’t you post this link that metmom posted, too, Rashputin? Did you not see it there?
The references in Matthew would be easy to check out, since there several available sources of the original Hebrew text of Matthew, but the rest are trapped in a language barrier that is very time consuming to penetrate.
Let’s take an easy example.
The reference of Matthew 4:15 shown cannot be related to anything but the book of Isaiah, since the subject in that part of chapter 4 is strictly the fulfillment of the prophecy in Isaiah.
Going through all of these references would tale months though.
Your referenced link says: Wikipedia does not have an article with this exact name. Please search for Luther Bible, in Wikipedia to check for alternative titles or spellings. Fail.
Now, should you or any others desire to study the subject in an objective and scholarly way, may I suggest Luther and the Canon. It it we read:
In providing prefaces for the books in the German Bible, Luther was simply following a traditional practice. The inclusion of a prologue illuminating the main thoughts of a treatise was a practice associated with the best in scholarly exposition as far back as Aristotle. Jeromes Vulgate had prefaces to almost every book in the Bible, plus others for groups of books such as Pauls epistles and the seven catholic epistles.... The second edition of Erasmus New Testament in 1518 began with one hundred twenty folio pages of introductory material.[14]
B. Luthers Christocentric Hermeneutic
The prefaces contained Luthers opinion on the canon. Luther scholar Paul Althaus explains, [Luther] allows the canon to stand as it was established by the ancient church. But he makes distinctions within the canon.[15] It is these distinctions that are often seen as removal. In these prefaces, Luther explained that he understood the Biblical books in an order based on how clearly Christ the gospel of free grace and justification through faith alone[16] was enunciated. He considered this to be the apostolic standard by which all was evaluated. Althaus explains,
It was particularly within the canon that Luther practiced theological criticism of its individual parts. The standard of this criticism is the same as his principle of interpretation, that is, Christ: the gospel of free grace and justification through faith alone. This is what Luther means when he says that the standard is "that which is apostolic." Luther's concept of apostolicity is based not only on a historical factor, that is, that Christ himself called and sent out a group of witnesses. Rather, it is determined by the content of a book. An apostle shows that he is an apostle by clearly and purely preaching Christ as Savior. "Now it is the office of a true apostle to preach of the suffering, resurrection, and office of Christ." This shows that an apostle is inspired by the Holy Spirit; and this gives him his authority and infallibility. Since apostolic authority manifests itself in the gospel of the apostles, the church recognizes the authority of the Scripture as being based not on the person of the apostles but on the word of God or the gospel which bears witness to itself. The apostolic character of a New Testament author manifests itself in the content of his writing and in the clarity of his witness to Christ.[17]
Certain books that did not express this were critically questioned by Luther: particularly James, Jude, Hebrews, and Revelation.[18] The editors of Luthers Works explain,
In terms of order, Hebrews, James, Jude, and Revelation come last in Luthers New Testament because of his negative estimate of their apostolicity. In a catalogue of The Books of the New Testament which followed immediately upon his Preface to the New Testament Luther regularly listed these fourwithout numbersat the bottom of a list in which he named the other twenty-three books, in the order in which they still appear in English Bibles, and numbered them consecutively from 123 a procedure identical to that with which he also listed the books of the Apocrypha.[19]
Sometimes it is said that in the actual printings of Luthers New Testament these four books were printed last without page numbers. The citation above says it was a list without page numbers.[20] Also of importance to note is Luther did not treat the four questionable New Testament books in the exact same way as he did the Old Testament apocrypha. Luther critic Hartmann Grisar has explained, [Luther] simply excluded the so-called deutero-canonical books of the Old Testament from the list of sacred writings. In his edition they are grouped together at the end of the Old Testament under the title: Apocrypha, i.e., books not to be regarded as equal to Holy Writ, but which are useful and good to read. Luthers New Testament is somewhat more conservative.[21] Grisar dubs Luther conservative because Luther did not include such a heading before the New Testament books he questioned. Luthers opinion on the apocrypha was solidified, whereas with the New Testament Luther uses caution.
Luther also found different levels of Christocentric clarity within the Old Testament. He observed that Genesis, Psalms, and Jonah spoke more to the apostolic standard, while the book of Esther did not.[22] The editors of Luthers Works further explain the judgments contained in the prefaces:
"Luthers prefaces brought something new by means of which he revealed his understanding of the Scriptures, namely a set of value judgments and a ranking of the books into categories. For him the Gospel of John and the epistles of Paul as well as I Peter, rank as the true kernel and marrow of all the books. As books of secondary rank come Hebrews, James, Jude, and Revelation. While Luthers assigning of a standard of values to the New Testament books may have been simply an act of religious devotion, it proved to be also, as Holl readily points out, a pioneering step toward modern biblical scholarship. Luthers prefaces are thus more than simply popular introductions for lay readers. They reveal a theological position of Christocentricity which inevitably affects his understanding of the New Testament canon.[23]
Luther cannot be criticized for explicitly removing books from the canon of sacred Scripture. One can though disapprove of Luthers critical questioning of particular New Testament books. Paul Althaus explains, Luther did not intend to require anyone to accept his judgment, he only wanted to express his own feeling about these particular books.[24] Althaus finds this to be apparent in Luthers original prefaces of 1522, but even more so in his revisions of 1530. Lutheran writer Mark Bartling concurs: Luthers whole approach was one of only questioning, never rejecting. James, Jude, Hebrews, and Revelation are only questioned, they are never rejected.[25] Roland Bainton notes,
Luther treated Scripture with royal freedom, but not at a whim. There was a clear determinative principle that the word of God is the message of redemption through Christ Jesus our Lord without any merit on our part, and that we are saved solely through heartfelt acceptance in faith. Yet despite the recognition of levels within Scripture, Luther did not treat the book as a whole and shrank from demolishing the canon by excluding James and Esther. The pope, the councils and the Canon Law might go, but to tamper with the traditional selection of the holy writings was one step too much.
And, once again I reiterate, I don't follow Martin Luther, but the Lord Jesus Christ. I don't possess a "Luther Bible" and Luther was never seen as the Pope of Protestantism.
Thank you for that. That’s all I need..and I think “Going through all of these references would take months though”, is precisely the point...
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