Posted on 09/30/2013 11:30:08 AM PDT by NYer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TM-G0bkl8MQ
I accuse Jesus of nothing...I questioned your statement that ALL men(Jesus was 100% man) are sinners and fall short with God....
Where is the actual proof of this assertion? Some RadTradCat blog? Did you check to see if what the guys was saying was true, before repeating it here on FR?
I see a lot of that of of stuff on these pages. Hint: Patheos blog will post all sorts of less than substantiated "stuff".
Since the Gov web pages are shut down (for no real reason, existing web page access can be supplied with bare bones personnel involvement) I can only get some second hand data through a CNN page, Raw Data: Religious preference in the military which cites "Source: U.S. Department of Defense"
Though this info is four years old, I seriously doubt much has changed as per spread of percentages, unless there are less atheists and agnostics. But this conversation has been made on FR before. Big "Catholic" claim, evidence refutes it, but some loose ends may linger, going who knows which direction.
As far as I can tell, from the data supplied above, it works out to a little more than 20% active duty personnel, right about the same as population figures, or a bit less?
Look at the totals in the far right columns. The look at the total in the lower right corner.
Of 1,407,580 something like 286757 were "Catholic" and "Catholic churches". I didn't add in Eastern Orthodox and Orthodox, but their numbers together were only about 1,540, with Moravians adding 111.
Even grabbing those extra, still get's one nowhere near 45-50% US military personnel, unless one wants to pretend there are oodles and gobs of them in the Coast Guard --- which would rather diminish the "Catholics are bad-ass" fantasy.
If you have better data, from a good source -- bring it. OR, agree that you were [probably] repeating an untruth -- though not necessarily doing so with full knowledge that facts don't back your statement.
Unlike some of your brethren do when in dispute with "protestants" here, I'm not going to call you a liar, for having less than factual information. But also unlike some of your brethren that do so --- I'm not here refuting you merely by argument of assertion, with nothing to back it up but my own say-so, or some special interpretation of a mish-mash of info.
These are numbers we are dealing with. Tough to spin them. Please, don't even try. If I see them being twisted, then there will be no patience, and little to no mercy...
I accuse Jesus of nothing...I questioned your statement that ALL men(Jesus was 100% man) are sinners and fall short with God....
you can NEVER, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES change reality nor the truth...!
it was Elsie who claimed that ALL MEN (Jesus was 100% man) were sinners...I merely questioned the logic of that statement....Pay attention please, before you make inane accusations.
The following data proves your statement to be incorrect.
If you'd said 'largest denomination' then perhaps you'd be right.
The total PROTESTANTS are MUCH greater than Catholics.
Like PROTESTant?
I am part of the Flying Inman Rite.
if you have never heard of Jesus, it is difficult to condemn you to hell. I would say that belief is hearing the word of God from the Catholic church and Catholic bible, and accepting it....I would say that unbelief is hearing the word of God from the Catholic church and Catholic Bible and protesting (denying)it...see?
Show your data.
You found it too!
Ah....!
The good ol’ days!
Who will rid me of this meddlesome priest?
my point exactly...the number is huge but the exact number is irrelevant...more than 1 is too many.
NO, but sometimes the answer was no.....God does that to me all the time...I've never won that damned lottery!!
Actually, it is Scripture that makes the statement that all have sinned. But you are trying to extrapolate Jesus being a sinner because he was 100% man. But, I do pay attention and Elsie made no such claim.
Your post tried to portray Jesus as a sinner. You waffled a little bit and left some doubt, when you also said he was 100% God. But, God cannot sin.
The Messiah we call Jesus came onto this earth to fulfill the law. He threw over tables in the Temple, I am sure. As to the rest of your hypothesis, it's just more of the same old "maybe we can try this line and see how far it will go”. Satan loves distraction and is constantly taking people's eyes away from the prize. That prize is our unmerited salvation, if free gift from God. It's not in your church that we can find such a treasure, it is only through faith and receiving his Holy Spirit in our lives. It's not found in a wafer of bread, nor a sip of wine from a cup. God is a Spirit and those that worship God, must worship him in spirit and in truth...
I can quote all those references for you, about everything that I said. But, most Roman Catholics just listen to a human voice and claim a catechism which lies. The Word of God reveals everything that we need, and Jesus Holy Spirit leads us into all the truth it displays. It's certainly not found just in Rome.
Sorry, but you did not win this time either! Try to come up with something better next time…
Really, that was the most pitiful attempt at “gotcha” I’ve ever read. I thought I heard a drum “pah-DAH-pum” when I read ‘well, Jesus was a man’. I bet you’ll also be here all week, terycarl.
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