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To: Boogieman

Are you suggesting that there is textual evidence for a pronunciation of “YHWH”? That the Jews and ancients somehow missed? That when the texts were copied over by ancient Christians for public reading, the needlessly substituted “Kyrie” (”LORD”) for “YHWH” because the simply didn’t pick up on something which told them how to pronounce it?


38 posted on 09/28/2013 10:52:57 AM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

“Are you suggesting that there is textual evidence for a pronunciation of “YHWH”?”

I am stating that the text states clearly, and multiple times, that the name of the Lord was a spoken word, at that time. Just search for “call on the name of the Lord” and see how many times that phrase is used. Here, I’ll do the heavy lifting for you:

http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword/?search=call+on+the+name+of+the+lord&version1=NIV&searchtype=all

Obviously, if they were calling on the name that much, they must have known how to pronounce it. Somewhere along the line, the exact pronunciation may have been lost, but the textual evidence contradicts the idea that God never wanted anyone to attempt to pronounce it. Quite the opposite, in fact, because it is always encouraged and portrayed as a good thing in the Bible. Those who called on the name of the Lord were blessed for doing so.


40 posted on 09/28/2013 11:06:08 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: dangus

“That when the texts were copied over by ancient Christians for public reading, the needlessly substituted “Kyrie” (”LORD”) for “YHWH” because the simply didn’t pick up on something which told them how to pronounce it?”

It could be the case, not that they missed something in the text, but that the general knowledge of the pronunciation, which hadn’t been recorded in the text, was lost. Scripture itself suggests this, and it suggests that God may have been the agent who caused the knowledge to be lost:

Zeph 3:9 -

“Then I will purify the lips of the peoples,
that all of them may call on the name of the Lord
and serve him shoulder to shoulder.”

If, in the future restoration of Israel that this prophecy is talking about, their lips need to be purified so that they may call on the name, it means that the lips of Israel must have become “impure”. This must have occurred sometime between when such calling was portrayed as common in the OT and the future restoration. I dare say we are in the interim period right now, and the uncertainty as to the pronunciation is evidence of that.


42 posted on 09/28/2013 11:17:38 AM PDT by Boogieman
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