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To: Stingray; Elsie
>>Revelation was completely fulfilled in 70 AD, with the destruction of Jerusalem and its Temple.<<

Ah! We have a Preterist among us! And I suppose you believe that Israel was replaced by the church as well correct?

Revelation was written around 96AD and in the first verse of the first chapter we read this.

Revelation 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: 2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. 3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

So it’s your contention that John was given a vision of things that must yet “come to pass” and that what he was shown was a “prophecy” were things that had already happened? Seriously?

Both internal and external evidence show Revelation to have been written near the end of the first century around 96AD. Preterists have been proven wrong over and over again.

502 posted on 09/22/2013 10:51:24 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: CynicalBear

“And I suppose you believe that Israel was replaced by the church as well correct?”

Well, that’s what happens when you divorce one woman and marry another. The harlot is replaced by the bride. The bride is Christ’s church. Read Revelation 21 again. The “new heaven and earth” (spiritual Israel; the church) replaces the “old heaven and earth” (physical Israel; the Law) because the old heaven and earth is a metaphor for the land of Israel and it’s Temple. Again, these references can be understood by cracking open the Old Testament.

New covenant replaced the Old.

“Revelation was written around 96AD and in the first verse of the first chapter we read this.”

Revelation was written no later than 68 AD. Period.

“So it’s your contention that John was given a vision of things that must yet “come to pass” and that what he was shown was a “prophecy” were things that had already happened? Seriously?”

He was told to write of things that were, things that are, and things that will be. The things that “will be” were imminent to the people to whom and for whom he was writing these letters, as expressed repeatedly in the book with words like “soon” and “near.”

Try reading something other than Hal Lindsey.

“Both internal and external evidence show Revelation to have been written near the end of the first century around 96AD.”

Absolutely untrue, as some of the directives in the book would make no sense after the destruction of Jerusalem (”go measure the Temple.”)

“Preterists have been proven wrong over and over again.”

Keep telling yourself that.


562 posted on 09/22/2013 11:28:25 PM PDT by Stingray (Stand for the truth or you'll fall for anything.)
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