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To: editor-surveyor
The fact that there are canonical scriptures is because Yeshua’s apostles held to the scriptures that Yeshua affirmed in his everyday communication with them.

Wrong, because the Apostles wrote additional works that the Church would affirm as Scripture.

The illegitimate body that claims to canonize scripture is completely at odds with the scriptures that Yeshua quoted and thereby confirmed.

Wrong again, because Jesus did not quote from any of the New Testament Scriptures because they were yet to be written. Additionally, when he does quote from the Old Testament it is invariably from the Septuagint whose canon is accepted by the Catholic Church and rejected by the Protestants.

The last apostle died 1900 yearas ago.

And the very first thing that the Apostles did after our Lord ascended to heaven was to fill up the vacancy left by Judas. Paul shows that the early Church was indeed hierarchical with episkopoi, presbyteroi and diakonoi. These offices continue to exist today.

37 posted on 09/12/2013 11:42:15 AM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Petrosius
Wrong, because the Apostles wrote additional works that the Church would affirm as Scripture.

Are they the ones not preserved by The God (at least two of Paul's to the Corinthians, plus certainly many others), containing fallible impurities that were not meant to be affirmed as Scripture by a fallible Church (like the Vatican, Alexandrian, or Sinatic corrupted codices)? God has preserved the Byzantine/Majority Textform through the churches, a plurality of witnesses.

Wrong again, because Jesus did not quote from any of the New Testament Scriptures because they were yet to be written. Additionally, when he does quote from the Old Testament it is invariably from the Septuagint whose canon is accepted by the Catholic Church and rejected by the Protestants

You have not studied the provenance of the LXX you have, analysis of which shows that it was rewritten by the scholars of Christendom to reflect the Holy Ghost-interpreted Hebrew as written by NT Apostles and prophets. There is no LXX as supposed to exist in Jesus' day, regardless of the myths generated to support one.

And the very first thing that the Apostles did after our Lord ascended to heaven was to fill up the vacancy left by Judas.

A great fleshly-promoted attempt at asserting human-generated repairs of Christ's misjudgment in selecting Judas as a disciple. Matthias fails the "chosen by Christ" test, even during the 40-day interval that the risen Jesus walked with them. And Peter ducked the responsibility for the final choice by creating a lots-based system (obviously agreed to by the candidates) that if the selectee didn't work out, The God would supposedly be accountable, not Peter. Then, Christ doubtlessly already had His eye upon the Gamaliel-trained disciple, His enemy, Saul of Tarsus, whom Peter et cie would never have chosen, but who was Christ's finest apostle entrusted with the mission to the Uncircumcised. Peter's limit as set by the Holy Ghost operating through the Jerusalem church and its policy head Mary's son Jacob (James), was to the Jews, not the Gentiles particularly.

Paul shows that the early Church was indeed hierarchical with episkopoi, presbyteroi and diakonoi. These offices continue to exist today.

All elders or ministers, and also evangelists, pastors, and teachers; but NOT aposteloi nor prophetoi, hm?

42 posted on 09/12/2013 12:31:06 PM PDT by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: Petrosius

>> “Wrong, because the Apostles wrote additional works that the Church would affirm as Scripture” <<

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Utter gibberish!

The church does not exist as a visible organized body that could do such things.

When you say ‘church,’ obviously you mean the RCC, but that is about as far from Yeshua’s church as one could possibly get.

New testament ‘scriptures’ are valid only to the extent that they are in full agreement with Torah and Tanakh, and those are what Yeshua gave us to guide us.

The idea that Yeshua quoted from the LXX is folley.

The LXX was injected when the NT writings were translated into Greek, and was done specifically because the Greek translators were not in any way competent in Hebrew language, nor culture, so they punted and substituted the LXX for the actual scriptures. This is solidly proven in the Hebrew mss of Matthew where the actual words of Yeshua are recorded by Matthew who was a true witness.

Of course a catholic will continue in error rather than meet the truth that shatters the house of pagan cards that is catholicism.


45 posted on 09/12/2013 3:10:05 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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