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To: CynicalBear

Of course you would try to make that claim, i.e. that Catholics do not believe in the same Jesus, but as usual you are absolutely wrong.

That erroneous belief certainly explains why credible dialogue is not possible with you.

In your quote from the Catholic Encyclopedia, the Church does not violate the verse from Deuteronomy as they do not offer the same worship to God as the pagans offered to their false gods. The Church did not seek out those things in order to emulate the pagans and that passage does not “admit” to such a thing.

This is not a gotcha, however much one might want it to be.

All things belong to God and the use of inanimate objects in worshiping Him do not constitute a belief in a different Jesus. As Jesus said, it is not what enters a man’s mouth that defiles him, it is that which comes out of the mouth that defiles him. He goes on to explain that what comes from the mouth comes from the heart.

St. Paul speaking about meat offered to idols said that there is nothing wrong with eating, otherwise, he would no longer eat. The meat itself is not intrinsically immoral, but the extrinsic circumstances of being sacrificed to false gods or idols is what makes eating it wrong.

This is just another red herring thrown out to try to convince others of utter nonsense.

The Jesus of the Catholic faith is our salvation, Our Redeemer, the Second Person of the Holy Trinity. There is no other.

If one carefully reads those quotes about Mary, one will see that in both, Jesus/Christ and God are the source of all that we praise in Mary. She is the perfect pray-er because of her perfect obedience to God’s plan. In the second, she is the first HUMAN fruit of Christ’s redemptive mission.

Do you disagree that Mary was part of God’s plan and that Christ is indeed the redeemer?

*****Clearly the RCC does not serve that same Jesus but a different Jesus who they have conjured up from the combination of paganism and Christianity. So you see, Catholics are really no different than Mormons and others who claim they believe in Jesus but it’s clearly a different Jesus then(sic) the Jesus of scripture.*****

Clear only to one with a hatred that blinds them to the truth.

The Jesus of Scripture is indeed the Jesus that Catholics worship and follow.


195 posted on 09/25/2013 5:58:29 PM PDT by Jvette
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To: Jvette
>>The Church did not seek out those things in order to emulate the pagans and that passage does not “admit” to such a thing.<<

Deny it all you wish but that is exactly what the quote from the Catholic site says it did. They said “But pagan though they be, they are beautiful customs” and “which seemed proper to enhance the splendor of religious ceremonial.” But God said not to add to what He had instructed. Then there are all the other vestments, rituals, and images that the RCC added like those fish hats from the priests of the fish god Dagon. Catholicism has pagan intertwined with Christianity which God refers to as whoring around with other gods.

196 posted on 09/25/2013 6:22:07 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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