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Forged Documents and Papal Power (A Former Catholic Nun)
http://www.CatholicConcerns.com ^ | June 2002 | Mary Ann Collins

Posted on 09/02/2013 9:07:37 AM PDT by bkaycee

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To: Steve_Seattle

“My personal problem with them is that they “divide the house,” so to speak, and lead to internal squabbling instead of focusing on the left-wing menace that threatens us all.”

Exacrly right. A waste of time arguing religion when so many left-winger commie pinko’s are afoot in the land.


241 posted on 09/08/2013 12:25:38 PM PDT by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: metmom

“When the church is shown to have operated in deceit, the reactions on this thread are the result. It pushes the Catholics right over the edge. They just can’t handle it.”

Some people are unworthy of calling themselves Christian. Look in the mirror.


242 posted on 09/08/2013 12:32:14 PM PDT by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: metmom; mickie; flaglady47
I fear that in your zeal you completely misread the intent of my post. I could do without ALL the vicious doctrinal infighting on FR.....and that includes EVERY religious denomination. It's strictly a divisive practice that's been going on too long.

Excepting, of course, threads regarding matters of totalitarian governmental/political attempts to stifle religion or any kind. That should, and must, be reported and discussed.

I hope you now get the point of my comment.

Leni

243 posted on 09/08/2013 12:41:03 PM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: Steve_Seattle
See posts 236, 239 and 243.

Leni

244 posted on 09/08/2013 12:44:49 PM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: MinuteGal

Does truth matter to you?

Does the destination of someone s soul for eternity matter to you?


245 posted on 09/08/2013 1:29:32 PM PDT by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: flaglady47; Steve_Seattle; metmom; CynicalBear
There is a real problem that you are missing here. This is not a "divided house". It is two separate houses. And it is a menace that threatens the gospel of the grace of God. You need to STUDY the Scriptures to see if we are in the same "body". Not everyone who names the name of Jesus KNOWS Him as their personal savior. Just because His name is mentioned, a gospel is mentioned, or a Spirit is followed does in now way mean we are following the same.

Are people so desperate for "unity" that they will ignore the TRUTH for a lie? And believe that "left-winger commie pinko's" are the real threat? False christs, false doctrines and false religions are the TRUE threat. Rather you believe that or not.

246 posted on 09/08/2013 1:37:59 PM PDT by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing are for an eternity..)
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To: smvoice; flaglady47; Steve_Seattle; metmom
>>This is not a "divided house". It is two separate houses.<<

All too many people don’t understand that. The Jesus of scripture does not need a stand in here on earth. The Jesus of scripture listens to even the lowliest of believers and doesn’t give deference to some so called saint or “queen of heaven”. The Jesus of scripture doesn’t require opulent structures or fancy accoutrements. The Jesus of scripture is surely a different Jesus then portrayed by the RCC and many other churches for that matter.

The Jesus of scripture calls us to humbly accept Him as our only hope for salvation and ask Him to come into our hearts. The Jesus of scripture asks us to go directly to the Father in His name.

247 posted on 09/08/2013 2:56:12 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: CynicalBear

Amen, CB.


248 posted on 09/08/2013 3:33:24 PM PDT by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing are for an eternity..)
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To: CynicalBear
Luke 18:9-14 He also told this parable to some who trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and treated others with contempt:

“Two men went up into the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector.
The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayed thus: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give tithes of all that I get.’

But the tax collector, standing far off, would not even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me, a sinner!’

I tell you, this man went down to his house justified, rather than the other. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but the one who humbles himself will be exalted.”

249 posted on 09/08/2013 3:51:24 PM PDT by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: smvoice
"Not everyone who names the name of Jesus KNOWS Him as their personal savior. Just because His name is mentioned, a gospel is mentioned, or a Spirit is followed does in now way mean we are following the same. Are people so desperate for "unity" that they will ignore the TRUTH for a lie? And believe that "left-winger commie pinko's" are the real threat? False christs, false doctrines and false religions are the TRUE threat. Rather you believe that or not."

Of course, that is true - people can claim anything in the name of Jesus - including gay marriage and abortion rights. I get it. But are most of the conflicts between Catholics and Protestants at that level? Do differing conceptions of the Eucharist or of the ministry rise to that level? And if you say they do, I could very probably argue with you that your idea is wrong or debatable, even based on the Bible. For example, no where in the Bible will you find the doctrine of "the scripture only." And if you find the doctrine of "faith only," I can find texts to disprove it. Religion is not grounded in "proof texts," whether those be Catholic or Protestant. Then what is religion grounded in? God. Of course. And God is not dependent on our ideas of God. Yes, I would say some ideas of God are wrong, but I can't prove it, and neither can you. I hate to sound relativistic, because that is not an idea I like, but there are limits to our knowledge. We take our stand on what we believe, and live with it or die with it. Just as Jesus did.
250 posted on 09/08/2013 6:51:31 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: smvoice

I do not particularly think that your views are representative of the beliefs of Jesus. Your views are very debatable.


251 posted on 09/08/2013 6:53:14 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: smvoice

“Are people so desperate for “unity” that they will ignore the TRUTH for a lie? And believe that “left-winger commie pinko’s” are the real threat? False christs, false doctrines and false religions are the TRUE threat. Rather you believe that or not.”

Not. The left-winger commie pinko’s are the real threat. When this country goes totally socialist, you will figure that out.


252 posted on 09/08/2013 8:16:20 PM PDT by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: Steve_Seattle; metmom; CynicalBear

Then, by all means, let’s debate them. I love a good SCRIPTURAL debate. Meaning, if you are going to drag in “early church fathers’” writings, man-made doctrines, or opinions, that is NOT “Scriptural debate”. That is fallible man’s debates. And I am not interested.


253 posted on 09/09/2013 5:44:05 AM PDT by smvoice (Better Buck up, Buttercup. The wailing and gnashing are for an eternity..)
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To: RobbyS
Latin was the language of Rome, the capital of the Empire.

Riiiight... Some 300 YEARS before the time frame you seem to be targeting - Look at how much American English has changed since America's birth, and double the time frame.

Rome never successfully Latinized the Greeks and Aramaic lands, not to mention the Celts - By the time frame you seem to be pointing at, no doubt the Old Saxon high-saxon/low-saxon/anglo-frisian splits were well under way, Frankish invaders (post Roman) were having a big influence, and even in Gaul/France (where Latin undeniably had been) the oil and oc dialects were meandering away. What had always been the Vulgar Latin (already a rough dialect) of the Iberian Peninsula no doubt was well on it's way toward the distinctions between Portuguese and Spanish.

By 700 Latin had become 'Old Latin'. By 900, when the power of popery began to overreach severely, the linguistic differences were profound and irretrievable. The assertion of the Roman church that Latin was the 'holy language' was simply and only an attempt to maintain centralized authority, and it was doomed to fail. By then it's obscurity allowed more for obfuscation than preservation. And from then onward, in spite of crusades and inquisitions, opposition inevitably lead to the Reformation.

Empire is the preference of the accuser, ever since Babylon. Binding people together by force has never been the way of the Father. Your seeming preoccupation with the power of empire may distract you from the movement of the Spirit, which has been far more subtle.

254 posted on 09/09/2013 8:16:38 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: smvoice; Steve_Seattle; metmom; CynicalBear
Then, by all means, let’s debate them.

Indeed. Isn't that why we are here?

255 posted on 09/09/2013 8:22:55 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: roamer_1
Binding people together by force has never been the way of the Father.

Preach it, brother.

256 posted on 09/09/2013 9:26:09 AM PDT by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: flaglady47; smvoice
>>Not. The left-winger commie pinko’s are the real threat. When this country goes totally socialist, you will figure that out.<<

Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

False christs, false doctrines and false religions will result in death for the soul and are the TRUE threat.

257 posted on 09/09/2013 12:21:37 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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