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To: Mrs. Don-o
And here's everybody kneeling at a Nativity Scene devotion sponsored by Campus Crusade members in Children's Ministry (I don't know if you can see it, but there's the Star of Bethlehem):

I see a bunch of kids sitting cross legged.....

But here's a veteran praying on Memorial Day. Do you think he's committing idolatry? Of course not. No reasonable person thinks that. He's praying to God --- I feel fairly confident of that.

Of course that's what anyone would conclude.

But he is not kneeling and bowing his head before a statue.

The second commandment says not to BOW DOWN before the images. Bowing is bowing.

Anyone can argue till the cows come home that what it is is not worship, but God circumvents that by making it clear that it's BOWING we are not to do.

And bowing is bowing.

214 posted on 08/27/2013 6:51:48 PM PDT by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom

So, it is bowing down that we are not to do? The point of this commandment is to ensure proper posture?

That’s preposterous.

People make idols of many things. Fame, power, wealth. But, as i understand you, that is all fine. As long as they don’t make a statue of their false god and bow before it.

Is it possible that the commandment is about what you worship and not about literally making and bowing?


241 posted on 08/27/2013 7:56:43 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: metmom

Here’s where the confusion comes in. What’s forbidden is bowing in adoration; not bowing as a sign of honor or respect.

Can I show that Biblically? Sure. It permeates Old Testament culture.

I looked up “kneel(ing)” and “bow(ing)” in the good old BibleGateway Keyword Search, and found so many references it would be exhausting to list them all.

Genesis 23:7 Then Abraham rose and bowed down before the people of that land

Genesis 33:3-7 Jacob bowed down to the ground seven times as he approached his brother Esau

maidservants and their children bow down to Esau

Leah and her children bow down

Joseph and Rachel bow. Etc. etc!

Genesis 37 Joseph’s dreams: his brothers’ sheaves of corn -— and then the sun and moon and eleven stars —— bow down to him. Later his brothers actually do bow down to him with their faces to the ground

Genesis 48:11 Joseph bows to Jacob “with his face to the earth.”

1 Kings 1:15 Bathsheba bows low (face to the ground) and kneels before the aged king David

2 Kings 1:13 the captain kneels before the prophet Elijah, and “prays” —begs-— him to spare his life and the life of his 50 men

Moses bows down to father-in-law; Ruth bows down to Boaz;

David prostrates before Jonathan;

David prostrates to Saul;

Abigail prostrates to David;

Saul prostrates to Samuel;

Nathan prostrates to David;

Obadiah bows to the ground before Elijah;

the prophets in Jericho bow before Elisha;

the “whole assembly” bows low and prostrates before David;
David bows to the Temple;

David prostrates to Jerusalem;

God causes the king’s adversaries to bow prostrate on the ground and “lick the dust at his feet”;

the sons of the oppressors will bow to Zion.

OK, pretty obviously the patriarchs, prophets, and kings knew about the commandment not to bow down and worship anything or anybody but God. But here they are bowing, kneeling, and prostrating, and God is not offended. Why?

Because the commandment clearly forbids bowing and worshipping a creature as the Creator; it does not forbid kneeling or bowing (to king, prophet, father, husband or brother) as a form of honor.

The commandment does not prohibit kneeling or bowing to giv honor. It prohibits adoration toward anyone but Almighty God.

Now here’s an interesting episode:

1 Kings 2:19
When Bathsheba went to King Solomon to speak to him for Adonijah, the king stood up to meet her, bowed down to her and sat down on his throne. He had a throne brought for the king’s mother, and she sat down at his right hand.

Here’s the King bowing to his mother. Does that mean she’s equal to God? No. It doesn’t even mean she’s equal to the King. It means he’s pleased to honor her because of her royal dignity, her relationship as Queen Mother.

As our mindset gets further and further from traditional custom and culture, it gets harder and harder to grasp what was once the universal language of physical gesture (he salute, the tip of the hat, the bow, the genuflection, the handclasp, the curtsey, the kiss) and put each expression in its proper perspective.

It’s something to ponder and appreciate. As I live, I appreciate it more and more.


292 posted on 08/28/2013 3:18:10 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("In Christ we form one body, and each member belongs to all the others." Romans 12:5)
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To: metmom; Mrs. Don-o
The second commandment says not to BOW DOWN before the images. Bowing is bowing.


293 posted on 08/28/2013 4:38:53 AM PDT by NYer ( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
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