Posted on 08/27/2013 11:53:37 AM PDT by NYer
No, Im saying you need to take the verse in John in context with the rest of scripture. They didn't really eat the scroll either.
Now there was a whole post of mans wisdom!
No; i was "baptized" that is, sprinkled with water as an infant unable to repent or believer as per the Scriptural requirements, (Acts 2:28; 8:36,37) by my uncle, one of two uncles who were RC priests, and sincerely believed in God and was raised very devoutly. But there was no real relationship, and later i fell away after i left home, and basically worked and partied for some years.
But i was convicted later of my sins and need for God due to the emptiness in my soul, as i had never known God, and by the conviction of judgment coming. Which finally resulted in deep repentance toward God and faith toward the Lord Jesus Christ in confession, with evangelical preaching on the radio (i was a truck driver) soon helping me to place all my faith on Christ.
Attitudes changed that i did not expect to change and even nature seemed new to me, and i wanted to serve God. Thus i served as a lector and CCd teacher, while also trying to speak to others of conversion and "this life," though few in the RC church were interested or could understand the profound change i humbly found.
Looking for life i went to RC charismatic meetings, which were an improvement, if marginalized by the hierarchy, but they were far what i saw in Scripture of a church eager to share the gospel, and from the life giving preaching i heard by evangelical ministers.
But i still stayed while seeking to tell others of Christ and stand for righteousness as the Lord convicted me to do, though it was basically the Lord and me. But when i first sincerely prayed to God that if it was His will to go to a different church then He would show me, then the next day He answered that, and (was also baptized later) has abundantly confirmed that move in the years since.
Not that i think i have arrived, and if anything i became far more conscious of my failings after conversion, and today am grieved my attitudes of my heart when they are not right, or actions, and know of His chastisement for such, but Christ is real and works in my and thru me, by His grace and to His glory.
You were there?
Catholics are a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma.
There ya go. Address a post to all and then show your ignorance. Where has anyone ever said to use scripture alone? By that one comment you have shown that you do not understand what Sola Scriptura means. If you dont know what something means its rather presumptuous to try to correct people on it. I would suggest you do some study on what Sola Scriptura actually means. Its been explained on this forum many times but still you make a statement indicating to dont understand it. I would suggest you sincerely pray and ask the Holy Spirit to enlighten you on what it means.
What is clear from your post is you have some work to do to understand the term "Sola Scriptura".
Here is a good definition of what is meant by Sola Scriptura.
“First of all, it is not a claim that the Bible contains all knowledge. The Bible is not exhaustive in every detail. John 21:25 speaks to the fact that there are many things that Jesus said and did that are not recorded in John, or in fact in any book in the world because the whole books of the world could not contain it. But the Bible does not have to be exhaustive to function as the sole rule of faith for the Church. We do not need to know the color of Thomas’ eyes. We do not need to know the menu of each meal of the Apostolic band for the Scriptures to function as the sole rule of faith for the Church.
Secondly, it is not a denial of the Church’s authority to teach God’s truth. I Timothy 3:15 describes the Church as “the pillar and foundation of the truth.” The truth is in Jesus Christ and in His Word. The Church teaches truth and calls men to Christ and, in so doing, functions as the pillar and foundation thereof. The Church does not add revelation or rule over Scripture. The Church being the bride of Christ, listens to the Word of Christ, which is found in God-breathed Scripture.
Thirdly, it is not a denial that God’s Word has been spoken. Apostolic preaching was authoritative in and of itself. Yet, the Apostles proved their message from Scripture, as we see in Acts 17:2, and 18:28, and John commended those in Ephesus for testing those who claimed to be Apostles, Revelation 2:2. The Apostles were not afraid to demonstrate the consistency between their teaching and the Old Testament.
And, finally, sola scriptura is not a denial of the role of the Holy Spirit in guiding and enlightening the Church.
What then is sola scriptura?
The doctrine of sola scriptura, simply stated, is that the Scriptures and the Scriptures alone are sufficient to function as the regula fide, the “rule of faith” for the Church. All that one must believe to be a Christian is found in Scripture and in no other source. That which is not found in Scripture is not binding upon the Christian conscience. To be more specific, I provide the following definition:
The Bible claims to be the sole and sufficient rule of faith for the Christian Church. The Scriptures are not in need of any supplement. Their authority comes from their nature as God-breathed revelation. Their authority is not dependent upon man, Church or council. The Scriptures are self-consistent, self-interpreting, and self-authenticating. The Christian Church looks at the Scriptures as the only and sufficient rule of faith and the Church is always subject to the Word, and is constantly reformed thereby.
http://vintage.aomin.org/SANTRAN.html
My dear fellow: surely you realise that there are more people on this form than simply you? And that some of them might have a different definition of “sola Scriptura” than you do?
That being said: perhaps you might tell me what YOUR understanding of “sola Scriptura” is (I’m using Luther’s)? That might save a bit of time and frustration and second-guessing, I think.
Case in point: if you look at the definition which bkaycee quoted, you’ll find that it harmonises with my own (i.e. if it isn’t in the Bible, then it is not to be trusted in matters pertaining to salvation).
That being said: even bkaycee’s definition is nowhere to be found in the Bible... and the same problems remain.
Honestly: I didn’t invent this problem with sola Scriptura... nor do I enjoy any distress it might give you (or anyone else). I’m merely the messenger with a bit of bad news about it.
Perhaps you could state your point plainly. If you have one...
Sola scriptura (Latin ablative, "by scripture alone") is the doctrine that the Bible contains all knowledge necessary for salvation and holiness. Consequently, sola scriptura demands only those doctrines are to be admitted or confessed that are found directly within or indirectly by using valid logical deduction or valid deductive reasoning from scripture. However, sola scriptura is not a denial of other authorities governing Christian life and devotion. Rather, it simply demands that all other authorities are subordinate to, and are to be corrected by, the written word of God. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sola_scriptura)
I might suggest that what you have indicated as your understanding is more Solo Scriptura which doesnt work well at all.
Of course you didnt. Its impetus is from those who want to add to, delete from, or in some other way alter what scripture teaches.
If you are comfortable with the Bob told Mary, who told Stan, who told George, who told my uncle Sams cousin Larry who told my uncle Sam scenario then by all means follow that system. I will utilize the example of Jesus and that apostles and rely on it is written.
Of course!
(Don’t let the Devil back YOU down. All he can do is holler!)
A Catholic posted a list of them up thread I think.
You mean PRACTICE what they be PREACHIN’?
AMEN!
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This is a fairly good variant itself!
You KNOW it can't be.
Absence of evidence is NOT evidence of absence.
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