Posted on 08/27/2013 11:53:37 AM PDT by NYer
The Council of Jerusalem
Maybe; but an AWFUL lot of ASSUMPTIONS about Mary are made!
Uh, those who believed THIS Scripture?
Ephesians 5:6-7
6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. 7 Therefore do not be partners with them.
*****That’s only a few, there ARE more and as you said all the many verses that speak about Jesus being the incarnate Almighty God, second person of the Trinity and Son of God - which, since we know there is ONLY one God, Jesus IS God in the flesh. *****
Very true, we do know that. But, did the Apostles fully understand that? How God is One, yet three distinct persons?
I don’t think so. I think that has been grappled with for centuries and even today, the concept is hard to explain fully.
As I said in my previous post, the God that we know and understand today is not the one of the Jews of Jesus’ time, the God of the OT.
Oh?
Then just what CAUSED so many to join this new 'teaching' at Pentacost?
I'll try to remember...
I know that non Catholics choose not to believe what Catholics teach about Mary, but those teachings are not just assumptions made from whole cloth. They come from years and years of study and debate and prayer upon what is written in Scripture.
I'll also try to remember this.
I understand why there are those who feel that way, there have always been people INSIDE the Church who thought they ONLY knew Truth yet didn’t. Pride.
I’ve had a cradle Catholic who’s fallen away tell me “Catholics don’t read the Bible.” This was someone who heard the Bible read every Sunday at Mass and attended Catholic school where there were religion classes. How can such a disconnect be possible?
I was a cradle Catholic (27 years) and I don't recall every reading the Bible in 12 years of parochial school, St. Michaels. I assume the catechism had snippets of the scripture, but don't ever recall reading from a real bible.
It is true that Catholics who attend Mass, here the scriptures 3 to 4 minutes every Sunday.
Oh, those tacky old things??? They’re just hand-me-downs! ;o)
That is a very different question than that of the doctrine of the Trinity.
Of course, the Church has always had the Holy Spirit and as the years went on the writings of the Apostles.
At Pentecost and for many years there was only the verbal preaching of the Gospel. The first written words of the NT did not come for nearly two decades following Christ’s resurrection.
And just where in Scripture does it even suggest or imply that Mary was perpetually virgin or that she was assumed to heaven?
LOL!!!
Pretty nice hand-me-downs.
That’s better living for not owning anything than most people I know who work for a living have.
You're right; but they are NOT killed on our soil or in OUR NEIGHBORHOODS.
(Yet...)
It's all over the bible...Just because you guys refuse to acknowledge it doesn't make your claim true...Numerous scriptures have been posted on here countless times...Perhaps you guys have been blinded to the truth...
Third: sola Scriptura leaves all (I'll borrow the acronym from NYer!) "YOPIOS" (Your Own Personal Interpretation Of Scripture) users without any final guide for knowing whether their interpretation is RIGHT or not.
We've got the guide all right...And it's not a matter of interpretation...It's a matter of belief...
Nope...The question is why don't you believe that...Most of you guys claim you are still under the law...Seems like that would be right up your alley...
Again, it's a matter of believing 'all' of the scriptures...As with the Catholics, the Seventh Day Adventists have to leave out tons of scripture to come up with their theology...
Wiggle wiggle...
... I say that the Bible does not SAY that Jesus is God.
Cutting REAL flesh and shedding REAL blood - or a metaphor?
Let me say this regarding your question.
When Peter stands to speak after the coming of the Holy Spirit he does not say that Jesus is God, the second person of the Holy Trinity. He says that God has made this Jesus, Lord and Messiah!
The Apostles did not know everything from the beginning. That is why Jesus promises to send the Holy Spirit to lead them to all truth. Not everything was perfectly clear as yet to them, just as when Jesus spoke of the Eucharist, it was not clear how He could give them His flesh to eat and His blood to drink.
The Bible of the Reformation was the King James Bible...It is responsible for leading millions upon millions of sinners to Jesus Christ...
The KJV is not a Catholic bible...Never has been...Never will be...Your claim is false...
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