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To: boatbums; Morgana
Yep, they can't talk about the present - they go back to the thorn in Rome's side - LUTHER! He certainly make a HUGE impact FOR Christianity and Catholicism cannot handle it - that one of their own exposed them to the world!

They had a nice little gig going on there but like Jesus said - the gates of hell won't prevail against HIS CHURCH. The gig was up and they haven't recovered from it since.

76 posted on 08/22/2013 11:07:50 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name
Though I am not a "Lutheran", I do admire Martin Luther for what he was brave enough to do for the cause of the Gospel. I think it is comical sometimes how Catholics will toss out the "Luther" card like it was some kind of grenade designed to blow up all the non-Catholics on a thread to shut us all up. Nearly every single time I've seen it used, it's a cherry-picked snippet or something that some rabid Catholic writer thought he knew about the man.

I'm sure you remember the back and forth we did with a few Catholics sorta recently who INSISTED that Luther had no right to leave the Catholic priesthood and get married to a former nun. They accused them both of sinful lust and all kinds of nasty names were hurled at them for DARING to do what they did. Yet, here, right in this OP, the author says it's no big deal if priests or nuns want to leave the clergy and get married! They are free to do so, he says. There is just so much hypocrisy going on in this church that I really do have to laugh whenever we are told they have UNITY on everything!

You may not have read these, but here is a link to what are called Luther's Letters. They are translations of his many correspondences between friends and the Catholic clergy, including his letters to several Popes. It shows that his decision to do what he did was NOT based on hatred or even discontent with his life. He sincerely wanted to change what had gone so wrong with his beloved Catholic Church. He went back and forth with them for YEARS and THEY excommunicated him, he didn't voluntarily leave. It's a long read, but you can do it in segments. It opened my eyes to who the man really was and not the boogieman the Roman Catholic Church portrayed him as. The link is http://beggarsallreformation.blogspot.com/2005/10/letters-of-martin-luther.html

79 posted on 08/22/2013 11:34:07 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: presently no screen name
“He certainly make a HUGE impact FOR Christianity”

That he did. Now instead of one Pope there are a million. Now instead of on true church there are a million preaching God only knows what. Thanks to Luther a new church is formed every two weeks somewhere in the world because they can't agree on what to teach from the Bible. It is multiplication by division.

As for that “go and sin boldly” speech made by Luther. That is not only heretical but it implies one can't lose their salvation no matter how much they sin. This is not true. First of all when we become Christian we are to flee from sin. Luther is stating to "sin boldly" and love Christ. Where did Jesus ever say to "sin boldly"? Luther did just this. With his drinking, eating and his women. Once again that is your saint.

102 posted on 08/23/2013 5:35:41 AM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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