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To: HarleyD; FourtySeven; Brian Kopp DPM
The article itself answers your question. According to this "anonymous source," Ratzinger said there was no angel or vision or audible voice. He says here was "no phenomenon."

As to the inner certainty he evidently felt, two questions arise: do you believe Ratzinger, and do you believe the anonymous source? In the case of Ratzginer: yes, sure I do. And the anonymous source? Anonymous sources are by definition impossible to verify: I mentally put a big red parenthesis around anthing alleged by a person who won't give their name, with a footnote that says, "Pending further verification."

I suspect we all do more or less the same thing. Or should, anyhow.

The Church smackdab refuses to promote unverified mystical phenmomena. The most recent was a series of alleged visions at a town in what is now Croatia, starting over 30 years ago. All the bishops of the Diocese of Mostar have ruled the claims groundless, but public interest has persisted, and he place continues to draw millions of pilgrims. The Bishop has nevertheless prohibited "official" pilgrimages, so thse excusions can't be sponsored by parishes or diocese. They obviously can't prohibit individuals and private groups from traveling there: anybody can travel anywhere they want.

However, the priest who, from the first, was the main publicizer of the (ongoing) visionaries, was laicized and ordered not to have anything to do with it anymore. This, despite the fact that, for over 30 years, millions of people -- and by no means all of them Catholic --- have flocked to this village, Medjugorje (Link).

Which effectively illustrates the non-committal or outright skeptical point of view the official Church takes, unless there's a stack of verifiable evidence.

31 posted on 08/23/2013 10:50:51 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Pray.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; FourtySeven; Brian Kopp DPM
I'm not sure how one knows "God told me to". We simply weigh the circumstances, we pray about it, and then move forward trusting God to guide our steps. Sometimes we make good decisions. Sometimes bad. But they're all from God who loves us enough to guide us into situations for our benefit or to His glory.

Every decision we make is from the Lord. Good or bad. He guides our footsteps. Why we need to tout "God told me to" is beyond me. Instead we should be asking ourselves whether our hearts are deceiving us. But even in our self-inflicted deception our loving Father will teach us something from it.

I suppose I could understand this if Ratzinger had simply said, "I felt this was what was best for the Church, I prayed about it, and I felt peace from God on my decision. Now I'm trusting God that He will grant His grace and mercy to those who are affect by my decision."

32 posted on 08/23/2013 5:43:56 PM PDT by HarleyD
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