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To: Dr. Thorne

What’s up Doc?

Do you ever ask anyone to pray for you? Do you ever follow the injunction to gather two or three together to pray in the name of the Lord?

I mention this because you ridicule the notion of praying to or with dead humans, neglecting the fact that the Lord Himself, while fully divine, was Himself for a time a ‘dead human’. Those who believe in Him and have died, are still very much alive.

He is God therefor, of the living, not the dead, and Jesus states that people who are living with the Lord in heaven are very much alive. To state otherwise is to place oneself in the camp of the Sadducees.

Please read:

37 “ Now that the dead are raised, even Moses showed at the bush, when he calleth the Lord the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. Ex. 3.6

38 For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.

39 Then certain of the scribes answering said, Master, thou hast well said.”

It goes without saying that the condemned are themselves ‘alive’, living in eternal judgment.

19”Again I say to you, that if two of you agree on earth about anything that they may ask, it shall be done for them by My Father who is in heaven. 20”For where two or three have gathered together in My name, I am there in their midst.”

Recall too that the Lord Himself, while on earth spoke to, what some may call a, ‘dead human’.

…3 “And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him. 4 Peter said to Jesus, “Lord, it is good for us to be here; if You wish, I will make three tabernacles here, one for You, and one for Moses, and one for Elijah.” 5 While he was still speaking, a bright cloud overshadowed them, and behold, a voice out of the cloud said, “This is My beloved Son, with whom I am well-pleased; listen to Him!”…

As a point of order, I do mention here that Elijah has not yet died, but was taken up to return a the time of the Anti-christ. Moses still makes your ‘dead human’ team, though.


3 posted on 08/17/2013 7:10:15 PM PDT by stisidore (Another look)
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To: stisidore; All
It is NOT a question that these men are dead, for surely Moses, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Elijah, and all faithful men and women in the Old Testament are alive with the resurrected Christ. But on the issue to praying for the dead, or those alive with Christ, this is not a Biblical matter to pray to, for Christ, the Head of the Church, His Body, all believer-saints, have HIM as our mediator to pray directly to God the Father by means of the Holy Spirit and Christ Jesus.

I Timothy 2:5: For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus

There is no need, nor any impress upon Christ Jesus, if we continue to pray to the dead (or alive with Christ, as to the point you are making). Today, we pray only directly to God via the mediation of Christ Jesus. He is the LORD over those who are alive with Christ, so why must anyone pray to the lower when we already have the HIGHER, which is Christ Jesus, the one mediator between God and men. All believer-saints should abandon praying to the dead (or alive with Christ). It accomplishes nothing that prayers to Christ Jesus would accomplish.

4 posted on 08/18/2013 1:44:45 PM PDT by AmbassadorForChrist
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