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To: annalex; metmom; editor-surveyor; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww
>>but that Christ contains within Himself the whole operation of the Spirit.<<

No, no, no. Here’s the verse again.

John 3:34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.

Note that word giveth. So God gave Jesus the Spirit without measure. In order for your logic to hold Jesus could then not have been eternally coexistent with the Father.

>> The Father loves the Son, and farther adds, and has given all things into His hand; in order to show that the Father loves the Son, in a peculiar sense.<<

So here again. Jesus was not coeternal and equal with the Father ey? At some point the Father is greater than the Son in order to have given Him. Is that what you believe? >> The Father then has given all things to the Son in respect of His divinity; of right, not of grace.<<

Well, that’s three for three. The second person of the trinity had to be given the Spirit by the first person of the trinity.

I thought Catholics believed that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit were coeternal and equal. How then is it that the second person of the trinity needs to be given something by the first person of the trinity.?

>> God died on the Cross.<<

So Catholics believe that God can die!!! Wow.

I’m going to save that post. The second person of the trinity is secondary to the first person of the trinity and God can die. Amazing beliefs to say the least.

826 posted on 09/02/2013 6:04:11 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: CynicalBear

>> “Amazing beliefs to say the least.” <<

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Just when you thought that you had them figgerd out, anallex comes through!


828 posted on 09/02/2013 6:14:05 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: CynicalBear; metmom; editor-surveyor; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww
Caww asked me not to ping him/her. You should have the consideration not to include Caww in your posts to me.

Note especially St. Augustine and Theophilactus who makes the distinction clear: "Wherefore He has given all things into His hand; so that, as great as the Father is, so great is the Son", and "The Father then has given all things to the Son in respect of His divinity; of right, not of grace". No different than when a royal heir is born, he has the royal quality already, at birth (I am speaking of a human king and prince), not at the death of the living monarch, and so Christ had the operation of the Spirit eternally, not from a certain point onward.

I thought Catholics believed that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit were coeternal and equal.

Coeternal, yes. However the Father begets the Son and through Him he spirates the Holy Spirit, so there are still relations between the Persons of the Holy Trinity that distinguish them. Are you familiar with the Nicene Creed in any form?

I would advise you and any Protestant not to get too deep into the mystical aspect of the Holy Trinity. You religion is based on crudity of thought. Do not go there before you become Catholic and gain the indwelling of the Holy Ghost yourself.

834 posted on 09/03/2013 5:33:45 AM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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