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To: annalex

“if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. (Matthew 19:17)”


How come you didn’t quote the whole thing?

“And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.” (Mat 19:17)

If only God is good, and if only good people can keep the commandments, and if people are good when they keep all the commandments, and if one sin makes you guilty of the whole commandments, so it follows that “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.” (Rom 3:23-28)

The end of Christ’s conversation with the rich man confirms Paul’s conclusions:

“Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved? But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.” (Mat 19:23-26)

All this trouble could have been left out if you had bothered to read the whole sentence!

“Do penance, and be baptized every one of you (Acts Of Apostles 2:38)”

Penance!? You mean the Papist concept of making up for your sins by doing good works? Sorry, but the word is metanoeo, which means “to think differently, reconsider, to repent.”

By Baptism, since you agree with me about everything, I presume you mean the Jewish conception which requires converts to be baptized as a sign of their conversion? And thus, baptism is the same thing as “convert to Christianity”?

If so, you’re okay on that part too.

“I do.”


Good! So I hope that means you’ll be quite now about agreeing with me about everything, when you know you don’t.


748 posted on 08/30/2013 11:12:28 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
Synthesizing your two posts.

How come you didn’t quote the whole thing?

There is nothing in the wider context that you provide that teaches salvation by faith alone either. All the scripture you cite conforms fully with the Catholic doctrines. I am not interested in Protestant interpretations, that may differ. If you have a question further I will be glad to answer.

the word is metanoeo, which means “to think differently, reconsider, to repent.”

An example of repenting we have from St. John the Baptist who wore a hairshirt and fasted, -- typical Catholic penance. Don't teach me words.

Baptism [...] I presume you mean the Jewish conception

Not at all, St. Peter and I mean the Catholic Sacrament of Baptism that washes away prior sin and makes someone Catholic Christian.

I see the Reformed/Augustinian doctrine about predestination

I am sure you do; I am not interested in Protestant interpretations when I have the Catholic Church to explain the Bible in full.

In short, if you have a question about the scripture, I will explain, and I would prefer it be on the topic of the thread: veneration of saints. I am not interested in your interpreting or opining about anything, with all respect.

758 posted on 08/31/2013 7:22:00 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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