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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
killed about 100,000 Calvinists

We did? That few? What a shame. Salvation being by grace alone dates from early Middle Ages:

the Catholic Church had explicitly affirmed the doctrine of sola gratia in the year 529 in the Council of Orange, which condemned the Pelagian heresy

Note that the Holy Church never affirms or condemns until there is a heresy raising up.

742 posted on 08/30/2013 10:42:43 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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743 posted on 08/30/2013 10:45:01 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

“the Catholic Church had explicitly affirmed the doctrine of sola gratia in the year 529 in the Council of Orange, which condemned the Pelagian heresy
Note that the Holy Church never affirms or condemns until there is a heresy raising up.”


Speaking of the Council of Orange, does the Roman Catholic Church uphold the declaration of their own councils?

From Orange:

CANON 6 “...if anyone makes the assistance of grace depend on the humility or obedience of man and does not agree that it is a gift of grace itself that we are obedient and humble, he contradicts the Apostle who says, “What have you that you did not receive?” (1 Cor. 4:7), and, “But by the grace of God I am what I am” (1 Cor. 15:10).”

Compare to Trent:

CANON IV. If any one shall affirm, that man’s freewill, moved and excited by God, does not, by consenting, cooperate with God, the mover and exciter, so as to prepare and dispose itself for the attainment of justification; if moreover, anyone shall say, that the human will cannot refuse complying, if it pleases, but that it is inactive, and merely passive; let such an one be accursed”!

Council of Orange again:

CANON 8 If anyone maintains that some are able to come to the grace of baptism by mercy but others through free will, which has manifestly been corrupted in all those who have been born after the transgression of the first man, it is proof that he has no place in the true faith. For he denies that the free will of all men has been weakened through the sin of the first man, or at least holds that it has been affected in such a way that they have still the ability to seek the mystery of eternal salvation by themselves without the revelation of God. The Lord himself shows how contradictory this is by declaring that no one is able to come to him “unless the Father who sent me draws him” (John 6:44), as he also says to Peter, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven” (Matt. 16:17), and as the Apostle says, “No one can say ‘Jesus is Lord’ except by the Holy Spirit” (1 Cor. 12:3)

Compare to Trent:

CANON V.- If anyone shall affirm, that since the fall of Adam, man’s freewill is lost and extinguished; or, that it is a thing titular, yea a name, without a thing, and a fiction introduced by Satan into the Church; let such an one be accursed”!

It seems that not only is just poor Augustine made accursed by Trent, as well as Luther and all the reformists who merely repeated the same things, but so are all the Bishops who participated at the Council of Orange!


745 posted on 08/30/2013 10:51:34 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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To: annalex

“We did? That few? What a shame.”


Wow, thanks for revealing your true colors.


746 posted on 08/30/2013 10:55:02 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans
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