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Directly, the verse speaks of the necessity to offer up our suffering to Christ , but that is exactly what a saint does through his martyrdom.

Which still does not translate to that there exists insufficiency in Christ, from accessibility to ability to relate to man and make intercession for him, that would warrant praying to others in Heaven." You simply have zero support that Christ is not directly accessible by believers in Christ or is not supremely able to intercede as the only heavenly intercessor btwn God and man, or that anyone prayed to anyone else in Heaven but the Lord . ZERO.

but we see people of all stature praying to living saints, saints in Heaven praying to God and the justified having abundant and alert life in heaven after death witnessing for us and to us. That is the scriptural case for veneration of saints.

But but but will not do, as this does still does not translate into PTDS despite attempts to extrapolate this to support this doctrine! Give it up.

In addition "praying to living saints" now is not that of believers bowing down to them in beseeching them to intercede to God for them, which even Simon Magnus was not shown doing after Peter told him to "pray to God," and who told Cornelius "stand up, for I also am a man, which censure works against the tendency to make gods out of those in Heaven, thus the command against doing so to statues. Meanwhile, saints in Heaven praying to God was not that of relaying prayer requests, but querying God as to when judgment would come.

Got to go now.

You simply have zero support that Christ is not directly accessible by believers in Christ

That is a typical Protestant false dichotomy. Veneration of saints is a part of worshiping Christ; it is a very nearly a necessary part given our cultural distance from 1c.; but it does not negate direct access to Christ in the company of saints such that happens in the course of the Holy Mass. Examples of intercessions are numerous throughout the scripture; if you cannot find them, I'll help.

this does still does not translate into [incomprehensible acronym]

To venerating saints? Sure it does. Mandate to pray for others did not come with restriction "till they die", and death to a Christian is a promotion to a higher state. Learn about basic Christianity, please.