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To: annalex
Water can mean many things, but baptism is in water:

But like I said, baptism may SOMETIMES be in water, baptism does not mean water...

1Pe 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

1Pe 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Again, baptism does not mean water...Noah was saved by floating in water...His flesh was saved...Actually, Noah was saved by the boat, not the water...Those around him DIED by the same water that saved Noah...And why was that??? What really saved Noah was that he believed God when God told him to build a boat that would float in the water...Surely we all understand that...

So now Peter says we have a 'like figure'...Baptism...Not water but baptism...Baptism does not mean water...But baptism in what??? Water??? Nope...It is not a water baptism that saves us...

This baptism here is an answer from us Christians...It is an answer of a good conscience toward God...Has nothing to do with someone pouring water on you...

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Act_11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.

Like the verse says, this is a like figure of Noah getting saved, not the exact same thing...And while Moses was saved by bobbing in the water, it was because of his faith in God...

And as the verse clearly says, we do not get clean by a bubble bath but by a clear conscience...And as such, we are baptized with the Holy Ghost...

Noah was saved from physical death by having faith in God and God used a boat and water to save him...

We are saved from a spiritual death by having faith in Jesus Christ and God uses the Holy Ghost to save us...

You have to read the bible more than one verse at a time...

2,165 posted on 09/19/2013 9:28:21 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: Iscool
[Baptism] has nothing to do with someone pouring water on you

We don't have an example of baptism but in water in the Holy Scripture: "Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, who have received the Holy Ghost, as well as we?" (Acts 10:47). The Church made some exceptions when physical baptism was not available, for example, because the convert faced death, but ordinarily water is necessary, as the previous scripture illustrates.

2,202 posted on 09/19/2013 5:47:25 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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