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To: jodyel
How many times I gotta tell you people that THE CHURCH is the body of believers in Jesus Christ! I am the church and anyone else who is born-again and filled with the Holy Spirit is the church. The church is made up of believers worldwide in every denomination no matter what building they worship in.

Ephesians 4:5. There is one Church, one Faith and one baptism. Not the whatever of whomever whenever they want.

The only thing about the RCC that remotely resembles the church are the born-again believers who happen to worship there, and I would bet there are not many.

John 3:3-5

Jesus answered him, “Very truly, I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God without being born from above.” Nicodemus said to him, “How can anyone be born after having grown old? Can one enter a second time into the mother’s womb and be born?” Jesus answered, “Very truly, I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and Spirit.

Jesus never said 'born again'. He said 'born from above', and 'born of water and the Spirit'. We may have a failure to communicate here.

1,601 posted on 09/13/2013 1:37:54 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: MarkBsnr; jodyel
>>Ephesians 4:5. There is one Church, one Faith and one baptism.<<

Wow! Catholicism is some deceitful pit isn’t it. Let’s look at what that verse really says.

Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

>>Jesus answered him, “Very truly, I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God without being born from above.”<<

And again.

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again [anōthen], he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Anōthen
Transliteration: anóthen
Phonetic Spelling: (an'-o-then)
Short Definition: from above, from the beginning, again
[http://biblesuite.com/strongs/greek/509.htm]

Now let’s look at context.

John 3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

Who in there right mind when reading Nicodemus’ answer would think that he understood Jesus to mean “from above”? He wouldn’t have asked if he could enter the second time into his mother’s womb if he understood Jesus to mean from above. He clearly heard Jesus to say “again”.

That’s a double shame on you. I do believe we have been through this before with you.

1,612 posted on 09/13/2013 2:05:48 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: MarkBsnr
Jesus never said 'born again'. He said 'born from above', and 'born of water and the Spirit'. We may have a failure to communicate here.

Hmmm...A person was born out of the womb...And then the same person is born from above...Born twice...But after he was born out of the womb and being born the 2nd time, he wasn't born again...He was born twice but the 2nd time he wasn't born again...Sure thing...

Joh 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

Well look at that...Jesus did say 'again', red letters and everything...

1Pe_1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

And Peter pope copies what Jesus said...You may not want to believe Jesus but don't you at least believe Peter???

1,632 posted on 09/13/2013 6:02:07 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: MarkBsnr

Jesus never said ‘born again’. He said ‘born from above’, and ‘born of water and the Spirit’. We may have a failure to communicate here.


Not true. Depends on what version you read. And it never says, “In my fathers house are many mansions” either, unless you have the single version that interprets the word for “dwelling place” as “mansion”. that would be the KJV. It’s like interpreting the word for “car” to mean “limo”. ;-)

On a related note, my church is one of those “KJV only” places. Two weeks ago the pastor was reading a verse with tricky “old english” words and had to tell the congregation that today it would mean “x”. Comically, my NIV bible interpreted it to be “x”.

Get it? The pastor, who only reads the KJV had to help the congregation understand its meaning by translating it into the NIV version. I don’t care who you are, that is danged funny!

It’s nice to read a translation that is in the language you actually speak on a daily basis. It is easier to understand His word. Of course, if you are really serious about it, you want to learn the original languages and read it that way. :-)


1,660 posted on 09/13/2013 7:33:11 PM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: MarkBsnr

Jesus never said ‘born again’. He said ‘born from above’, and ‘born of water and the Spirit’. We may have a failure to communicate here.


He said neither. He did not speak English. However, the words he used can be translated to mean either. That is why some bibles translate it one way and others translate it another. And I prefer the version that does not translate words that mean “dwelling place” into the word “mansion”.

One of the things that really annoys me about my church is just how many hymns we sing that have the word “mansion” in them even though the only place it appears in the bible is a gross misstranslation in the KJV.

I actually use the word “room” when we sing those songs.

On a side note, when singing I also replace thee and thou with “you”.


1,826 posted on 09/15/2013 5:14:45 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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